tekin rs pro

[phil c]

hi just bought a tekin rs pro from dms last week , and wired it up today for the first time , and it does not work , i have readapted it to the radio loads of times and yet it does nothing but flash number 1 and 2 lights and 6 and 7 , i have checked all conections , tried a new motor and sensor lead ,tried diffrent reciever , checked the trouble shooting guide, and it says wrong motor type, so rechecked and its set for brushless any help from any body who runs these speedos cheers phil :(

[KevLee]

Just to check.. what number do you have the motor type set to?

[phil c]

no 1

[DCM]

it sounds like you either got the ESC set for Brushed and using Brushes or brushless and using brushed.... http://www.teamtekin.com/manuals/RSManual.pdf

[Garry Driffill]

I know it may sound daft but do they come pre-set on the Brushed function?

[KevLee]

Clutching at straws here... sometimes the lights don't fully line up with the label, is it definately MT you have set to 1?

[phil c]

yes def set to brushless mode number 1

[rcracer]

did you try a brushed motor phil ?

[phil c]

no its the only thing i have not tried :cry:

[DCM]

on the mode button, you got the sixth LED lit, then on the incr button, cycled through to one LED on?

[phil c]

yes that is corect

[DCM]

email support[at]teamtekin[dot]com or visit the support forum at www.teamteking.com you may get a fuller answer.

Just try re-checking over the whole ESC, wiring to the motor, also worth trying this

The RS series has a built-in factory reset mode that resets all user
programmable settings to the default values. To activate, turn the
speed control on, then press/hold INC button and then press/hold
MODE button simultaneously for 3 seconds. After 3 seconds the
LEDs will ramp up in sets of three. NOTE: Activating the self-test
mode also resets all the radio calibration settings to their default

[phil c]

i have done the reset already and made no difrence at all

[glypo]

I found I had to reverse my throttle on the radio to get R1 Pro to work right.

No idea if this will be any help to you.

[niggs98]

was about to say what glypo said. to get mine to set initially and go through the setup section i had to revese my throttle on the TX

[phil c]

cheers guys will give that a try , hope that works

[chrispattinson]

I've been having trouble with mine, but not in the same way. Have you got the hotwire? It might help to link the speedo up to a pc, check the software and settings that way.

With mine, I used it for the first time last week. It felt like it had no punch, and no top end with a Novak 4.5 motor. Gearing is correct. Then I blew the power cap in my second race??? Maybe a faulty cap? I cant seem to get a response from Tekin support or forum though.

So this week Im having to run a Top Force Evo with EZ run in!!!!

[glypo]

I wouldn't use the supplied power cap on anything other than Tekin RedLine motors. The capacitor is very small (apparently high quality though) and provides enough for the ESC under load with the efficient RedLine motors.

This is particularly the case for the R1/R1 Pro (I am not sure why people would want RS for off-road?) where the slotless sensorless Redline motors work very efficiently on the ESC. A real pain they are not BRCA legal. If I was changing motor to anything else, I would change power cap, at 330 millifarads the can they supply is not a lot for other motors.

[DaveG28]

I wouldn't use the supplied power cap on anything other than Tekin RedLine motors. The capacitor is very small (apparently high quality though) and provides enough for the ESC under load with the efficient RedLine motors.

This is particularly the case for the R1/R1 Pro (I am not sure why people would want RS for off-road?) where the slotless sensorless Redline motors work very efficiently on the ESC. A real pain they are not BRCA legal. If I was changing motor to anything else, I would change power cap, at 330 millifarads the can they supply is not a lot for other motors.

Wouldn't people prefer it for off road because it's sensored with sensorless backup rather than just sensorless? Does it have any disadvantages compared to the R1 pro?

Hope it all works anyway, got one waiting to wire up!

[KevLee]

cheers guys will give that a try , hope that works

Its worth a try but i thought you had already completed the radio calibration successfully?. Sometimes the autosetup doesn't like the values it gets from the transmitter when configuring the end points... in which case it should work on the reverse setting.

[KevLee]

I wouldn't use the supplied power cap on anything other than Tekin RedLine motors. The capacitor is very small (apparently high quality though) and provides enough for the ESC under load with the efficient RedLine motors.

This is particularly the case for the R1/R1 Pro (I am not sure why people would want RS for off-road?) where the slotless sensorless Redline motors work very efficiently on the ESC. A real pain they are not BRCA legal. If I was changing motor to anything else, I would change power cap, at 330 millifarads the can they supply is not a lot for other motors.

I've run the supplied cap on my cars since running the R1 and now use them on the RS with no problem at all (and thats having used LRP/ PEAK and tekin motors). Speedo caps aren't there to give you more power, just smooth out the spikes to let the speedo run cooler and reduce the risk of damage to the FETS.

Not quite sure why you wouldn't want an RS for offroad... the R1 worked really well for a sensorless speedo and i had some good results with it but the RS is the best of both worlds.... faultlessly smooth starts and the safety of defaulting to sensorless if a sensor should fail.

[chrispattinson]

Thanks for the help guys, I'm not sure if I should be running alternative Caps or not though. Regarding speed, My car is no where near as fast as when running my GTB speedo (same motr and gearing, do I have a faulty Tekin speedo?

[DCM]

with the RS, if you are running a motor with adjustable timming, like a Vortex, then you run it in sensored only mode, and by christ does it rev, or you run it in hybrid mode and wind the timming up on the esc. The RS is a better esc than the R1, especially when using the spec motors too.

Phil, I don't understand why it isn't working, you just need to check through everything again.

[DCM]

Thanks for the help guys, I'm not sure if I should be running alternative Caps or not though. Regarding speed, My car is no where near as fast as when running my GTB speedo (same motr and gearing, do I have a faulty Tekin speedo?

get the hotwire, it really is essential, or if you got a local Tekin driver, grab em and have them fiddle with your ESC on the hotwire, it makes a huge difference!!

[KevLee]

with the RS, if you are running a motor with adjustable timming, like a Vortex, then you run it in sensored only mode, and by christ does it rev, or you run it in hybrid mode and wind the timming up on the esc. The RS is a better esc than the R1, especially when using the spec motors too.

Phil, I don't understand why it isn't working, you just need to check through everything again.

I run mine in hybrid mode with the timing set to about 80%... i think factory setting is somewhere around 30%. It does make a huge difference and is a good way fo altering the characteristics... more timing more revs, less timing more torque.

[phil c]

right i have reset my esprit 3 and reset the speedo again , and all was well for 30 seconds with the car reving up and down then went back to leds 1&2 and 6&7 flashing again , i also noticed the motor is doing a very weak beep noise , and no i dont have the hot wire yet , is this speedo not ok for off road ?

[KevLee]

right i have reset my esprit 3 and reset the speedo again , and all was well for 30 seconds with the car reving up and down then went back to leds 1&2 and 6&7 flashing again , i also noticed the motor is doing a very weak beep noise , and no i dont have the hot wire yet , is this speedo not ok for off road ?

If you have it in brushed mode the motor does do a beep noise... i checked mine yesterday. Not quite sure whats wrong then

The speedo is perfect for offroad.. don't worry about that:)

[DCM]

I run mine in hybrid mode with the timing set to about 80%... i think factory setting is somewhere around 30%. It does make a huge difference and is a good way fo altering the characteristics... more timing more revs, less timing more torque.

Key, if you can adjust the timming on the motor, turn it up and try it in sensored only mode!!!

[glypo]

Speedo caps aren't there to give you more power, just smooth out the spikes to let the speedo run cooler and reduce the risk of damage to the FETS..

I never said a capacitor will give you more power (but it will, it will give you more initial punch). Power capacitors are there as much for your battery as they are your ESC. The very low internal resistance is brilliant for providing that initial boost of energy and take the strain away from the battery and ESC.

And of course brushless ESC's need large power capacitors to filter out the voltage ripple. And 300 millifarads in not large! Take a typical dicharge under a 60 ampere burst, the cap would be empty after 0.000037 seconds... you just worry at that size how effectively it can smooth voltage ripple. A 1000 millifarad capacitor would take 0.0001233 to empty flat which is much more reasonable I feel.

Of course on the RedLines I'm sure the small cap is fine, as the motors are smooth and software works properly. I am not suggesting you will have a problem, so I am not surprised when it is said it works fine with other motors. I just wonder why put it under the extra strain though.

As for the RS, I suppose being able to operate both sensored and sensorless is great, so you don't loose anything. I just feel that sensored technology is inferior so would never find a reason to run it. The only reason the RS was made is that ROAR have some stupid rules and you basically have to make a Novak style sensored motor to be race legal (hence the sensorless RedLines are not ROAR legal). It is for this reason also that Castle Creations do not have a ROAR race legal set up as they are not willing to make inferior technology to meet a rule (yet).

I think also the R1 had some issues at first with the slower motors (13.5T etc) at first too, but the latest software sorts this out no problem. :)

[DCM]

no, the cap is there to help the fets open and close more efficiently, as with the power going through them, as the heat builds up, they become inneficient, the cap can give that instantaneous busrt to help open/close the gate better than the battery can.

[glypo]

no, the cap is there to help the fets open and close more efficiently

of course brushless ESC's need large power capacitors to filter out the voltage ripple.

Kind of the same thing mate. As I outlined in my post, there is more than one reason for having a power cap. Firstly for power supply, as I said takes away strain from battery and provides more punch (as with brushed) which allows power surges (more punch) reduces ESR and so on. These are more beneficial effects of a power capacitor.

The second reason is more of a requirement than a desire. As you say the power cap is essential in helping the FETs operate efficiently. This is because the power capacitor effectively dampen the voltage ripple and dramatically reduces temperature and overall load on the system.

[chrispattinson]

Are there any alternative power caps I can get in this country, or where can I get tekin power caps in this country. What are the options?

Regarding hotwire, I have it, and ran default settings, in hybrid mode, with 32% timing (as recommended for a 4.5) and it was still slow?

[niggs98]

try dms as they stock tekin, as do the race place

[sim]

Not sure if this is the same kind of problem but on my Tekin FX brushed esc, I set it up correctly and all it did was blink some lights at me. When I looked up what the lights meant, it says the ESC wasn't finding neutral correctly (this is after doing radio calibration properly). Apparently, Tekin ESC's have a set range it expects the radio neutral to be in (regardless of radio calibration) and my old transmitter true neutral (with sub trim 0 and trim smack in the middle) has wandered outside this range over the years. I adjusted the sub-trim until the ESC was willing to start up and re-calibrated the radio. Haven't had any problem since.

Since you mentioned your lights are diagnosing wrong motor type, I'm guessing you're having a different problem but just thought I'd mention mine on the off chance it might be useful to you.

[DCM]

Kind of the same thing mate. As I outlined in my post, there is more than one reason for having a power cap. Firstly for power supply, as I said takes away strain from battery and provides more punch (as with brushed) which allows power surges (more punch) reduces ESR and so on. These are more beneficial effects of a power capacitor.

The second reason is more of a requirement than a desire. As you say the power cap is essential in helping the FETs operate efficiently. This is because the power capacitor effectively dampen the voltage ripple and dramatically reduces temperature and overall load on the system.

the first part is an off-shoot of the esc's being driven more efficiently on the opening and closing cycle, the Cap isn't there to increase punch, just to assist them, as a Cap can give far more over the tiny time it takes to open/close the fet than a battery can. The off-shoot is the ESC runs cooler, more efficiently, and then feels punchier.

[chrispattinson]

Today I received a reply from Tekin. From their response, I can say I am very pleased with the way they are dealing with this issue. They have confidence in their speedo, and these issues will be resolved.

[phil c]

i sent an email to tekin 4 days ago how long did it take for them to reply ?

[DaveG28]

Has anyone been running with the new sensored motors as well as the RS Pro?and has it all been ok?

Really keen on the hybrid/size elements but worried about reliability!

A base setup for a 5.5 would be good too! Does it have any Lipo cut off?

[niggs98]

am running both the rs pro and the redline sensored motors as well as is kev lee and john spencer. all 3 of us are running issue free. me personally im loving it, i find the speedo is smoother than what i was running with a lot more feel on the lower end, i run less timing then what kev does as prefer a bit more grunt out of the car. do you have the hot wire as any setup data i post will be from that. it has a lipo cut off as well and it does work as i have run the car down far enough to check, as for reliability i have run the tekin in heavy rain when i wouldnt of even dreamed of running my older stuff and it lasted the run without issue. buy tekin motors and speedo's with confidence, i know i did ;)

[DaveG28]

Yep I have the hotwire, any advice/setup much appreciated!

[KevLee]

I'm running mine on a 5.5 (4wd) and 6.5 (2wd) like this:-

DB = 0
BS = 100%
LM = Off
NW = 10%
TP = 4
MT = 1 (forward only brushless)
VC = off (not run lipos yet)

Hybrid mode
Timing 80%

I've run that seup on LRP/Peaks and more recently on the sensored Tekin motors.... which by the way are excellent!:thumbsup:

[glypo]

With Team Extremes partnership with Tekin, does this mean that the RedLines might finally get BRCA legalised? It seems Much More haven't sorted it, I just hope someone does.

As you say the RedLines are awesome motors. If so I hope it is both the Sensored and Sensorless stuff as unlike ROAR I think there are no reason why the Sensorless stuff shoulddn't pass the BRCA regs.

[Dunc]

The sensorless motors were not homologated for BRCA use because the rotors are too large. They are smaller in the sensored ones (12.3 mm diameter, I think) so there shouldn't be any problem.

My understanding is that they have been submitted to Paul Worsley for testing.

[chrispattinson]

Tekin responded to my email within 5 days, nd we are in the process of resolving my issues.
Does anyone know if Tekin has any team drivers in the North East, should I need to see anyone about my speedo?

KevLee - how would you describe the performance of the redline motors in comparison to the others you tried?

[KevLee]

Tekin responded to my email within 5 days, nd we are in the process of resolving my issues.
Does anyone know if Tekin has any team drivers in the North East, should I need to see anyone about my speedo?

KevLee - how would you describe the performance of the redline motors in comparison to the others you tried?

They're very smooth motors great for offroad and the build quality is really nice. They seemt to run cooler than any other motor i've had so that has to be good for longevity... the cans are machined out of a thick lump of aluminium so that probably helps with the dissipation.

[KeithA]

With Team Extremes partnership with Tekin, does this mean that the RedLines might finally get BRCA legalised? It seems Much More haven't sorted it, I just hope someone does.

As you say the RedLines are awesome motors. If so I hope it is both the Sensored and Sensorless stuff as unlike ROAR I think there are no reason why the Sensorless stuff shoulddn't pass the BRCA regs.

Incorrect!

Muchmore UK have been working with the BRCA and Tekin for a long time to get the Tekin products homologated. We have the Li-Po's and Redline motors in hand and they will appear (or already have appeared) on the relevant homologation list when the BRCA are confident that the samples submitted meet the necessary requirements.

If anyone wants more information, just drop us an email.

[glypo]

That is fantastic Keith. Great to know Tekin have an active importer.

Is this only for the Sensored motors though (due to the size issues of sensorless mentioned by Dunc previously?).

[KevLee]

That is fantastic Keith. Great to know Tekin have an active importer.

Is this only for the Sensored motors though (due to the size issues of sensorless mentioned by Dunc previously?).

Yes, i sent PW a sensorless motor earlier this year and the rotor dimensions aswell as the bore are outside the specs.

[KeithA]

That is fantastic Keith. Great to know Tekin have an active importer.

Is this only for the Sensored motors though (due to the size issues of sensorless mentioned by Dunc previously?).

Yes, you are correct Jason. We still keep stock of all the Sensorless motors, however, they can not be homologated.

Thank you.

[Darren Boyle]

So WHO IS the OFFICIAL importer for Tekin then? Since it is they who will deal with all of this.

[KeithA]

So WHO IS the OFFICIAL importer for Tekin then? Since it is they who will deal with all of this.

Hi Darren,

Much-More UK have been importing and distributing ALL the Tekin products to model shops for over 5 years now. We've dealt with all of the Tekin products currently on (or about to be on) the homolgation list and paid the relevant fees to the BRCA.

If someone else wants to pay the fees, submit the products and deal with any technical changes required, then I am sure Tekin and Much-More UK would be delighted :D

Many thanks,

Keith.

[Darren Boyle]

Keith, I thought it was Much More, which is where we purchase all of ours from (as you know) but it seems we have confusion over who is doing it and who isnt, so glad you could clarify

[KevLee]

Hi Darren,

Much-More UK have been importing and distributing ALL the Tekin products to model shops for over 5 years now. We've dealt with all of the Tekin products currently on (or about to be on) the homolgation list and paid the relevant fees to the BRCA.

If someone else wants to pay the fees, submit the products and deal with any technical changes required, then I am sure Tekin and Much-More UK would be delighted :D

Many thanks,

Keith.

I sent the sensorless motor to paul as requested by tekin to get an idea if there was a chance of it being homologated..... I don't think this was in place of the official route, just a quick inspection. I hope i didn't step on any toes :)

[KeithA]

I sent the sensorless motor to paul as requested by tekin to get an idea if there was a chance of it being homologated..... I don't think this was in place of the official route, just a quick inspection. I hope i didn't step on any toes :)

Hi Kev,

Apologies, I did not mean anything negative. Tekin mentioned you were testing the sensorless motors and were going to ask PW to take a look - its a shame everyone has gone down the sensored route now as the sensorless motors and R1 systems do perform very well indeed!

Thanks again,

Keith.

[DCM]

the lipo packs were homologated a long time ago, I even showed PW the cells at the Talywain national.

[sebus]

hello i am french .
i have a trf501x ,tekin rspro, vortex race 6.5.(low grip on my track)
my gearing is 96/20 and timing 40 that is preconized for 6.5 motor.
with this configuration my car has no punch a good speed but it's difficult for me because there is a double bump just after a corner.
rather must put a pinion of 19 and increase the timing to 70 or 80 ?
What you advise me for the gearing and esc timing ?

thank you for your answers, seb

[DCM]

right, for a 6.5, try around the 80% timming on the esc, also, you might just be geared a little high for the 6.5, I run the DB-01 (same internal ration as the 501X-WE) and run a 91/17 and this is plenty quick enough.

Do you have the Hotwire, Sebus?

[sebus]

yes i have, i will try with timing to 80 and pinion 18-19 .
i tried timing 12 , pinion 19 :good punch but not enough speed.
i tried timing 40 , pinion 20 : low punch , good speed

[phil c]

Got in from work tonight and had a parcel on the mat from tekin , a brand new speedo , finally , cant wait to see if this one works :eh?:

[rcracer]

get it in the pred for sunday :thumbsup:

[phil c]

get it in the pred for sunday :thumbsup:
i will try mate:)

[Darren Boyle]

Phil, was not aware you had sent the speedo away to them (Tekin), I hope they have sorted it out for you, last I knew you were emailing their tech department for advice.

Must of been somthing wrong with the original for them to have swapped it, assuming it isnt the same one refurbed they have sent you back that is. Let us know if there are any further problems.....

[AmiSMB]

I have software version 180 in my RS Pro and am looking to install this into a CAT SX running Lipo and going to a 6.5 SpeedPassion motor. Gearing will be around 23/83 giving a FDR of 9.32. Does anyone have more Hotwire setting suggestions for this sort of setup?

[DCM]

9.32 might be a little steep, try it on a 22 initialy.

Timing set to 80
Limiter to 95
TP3
Neutral 10

Thats a good starting point, but if you got Hotwire, let the hotwire update your software!

[AmiSMB]

9.32 might be a little steep, try it on a 22 initialy.

Timing set to 80
Limiter to 95
TP3
Neutral 10

Thats a good starting point, but if you got Hotwire, let the hotwire update your software!

I have seen setup sheets where they are using that gear ratio on a 5.5. I tried a 21 on a 5.5 and it was insane especially when using LiPo so I am currently running an 18 which is much more controlable. I have the Hotwire so I am looking forward to when Tekin release the newer firmware which from what I read will be 183 or maybe 189.

[Welshy40]

The Tekin RS Pro is a gr8 bit of kit.

Ive changed the settings to the highest punch setting and all seems fine and dandy in 4wd buggies. I have had a couple of glitches where the esc needs reprogramming as its for some daft reason its forgotten whats what but the esc works fine.

No over heating which is good.

Its also a heck of a lot smoother and better to drive than the sensorless esc's (i have two mamba max esc and they are not as good) and the motors seem much more manageable compared to the sensorless. I also found that the Tekin work really well with Corally compared to anything else. No idea why.

If your want a speedy reply email Jim at Tekin, he is pretty quick at sending a response relating to anything.

[sebus]

what is the "punch setting" ?
i am french i run with trf501x, vortex 6.5 and 19/96= 10.3 ratio
and i have not a good punch .
i have 80% timing , linear trottle profile.
with this configuration i have a low punch why?
thanks seb

[teamtekin]

You must have software version 189 or higher to have timing boost for spec motors. The team has been testing version 194 which is now available from Randy, rpike@teamtekin.com

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