Vintage Tenth Technology Predator 1st Gen 1994

[Dave77]

Thought you guys might like to see some pics of my Vintage first gen predator.

This car is just a hash up of spare parts and was never raced as we did a fair bit of destruction testing at the beginning, hence the single colour shell. I raced from 88 - 94, and used a predator in the British National Championship (along with Kevin Moore, Richmond Rogers, Ben Sturnham and Rob Gammon) in 1994 before retiring.

The original carbon tub chassis is lovely. Just dragged it off the shelf at my folks where its been gathering dust for the last 15 years.

I have had my interest rekindled and just bought a B44 to start racing again.:thumbsup:

Cheers
David

[Cooper]

AWESOME !

[Dyna]

Luverly that - You dont see many early ones in that condition these days :)

The original carbon tubs just look the business. I'd love to know where the first couple of prototypes ended up though... the ones with machined aluminium f&r gearboxes and other detail differences that were also in the pre-release T-Tech adverts of the day.

[Dave77]

I ended up with the spare chassis as this one (the original in the kit) we thought was twisted or "not straight" as it kept stripping rear diff gears, but it turned out we werent spacing it in the gearbox correctly.

Neglected to tell Richard at the time so he sent a new one.........

I still have the original Box for the car as well, but ever so slightly tatty.


Some more pics.

[DerbyDan]

These were such lovely-lovely cars, especially these early ones with that moulded carbon chassis :wub When they were released it really felt like F1 technology had reach out model cars.... I just can't believe how long ago it was now!

[Welshy40]

I remember these, did one event with one of the first release and after one race it went in the bin. Looked great but wasnt. Wasted my money on that.

[Dave77]

I remember these, did one event with one of the first release and after one race it went in the bin. Looked great but wasnt. Wasted my money on that.

Agreed, we had 3 or 4 false starts with ours too, when the Yokomo Works 93 was dragged back into service.

We found that the Pred was, fragile, and either exceptionally good, or complete and utter rubbish. So difficult to set up, and the back end wouldnt behave on the bumps. Modified anti-squat, and that improved things. I had not only my best BRCA Nat. result with it, I also had my worst too....

Cheers

[samd]

Ah i loved mine, cant remember finishing many races but i still loved it.

[Matt Airbrushing]

Ah i loved mine, cant remember finishing many races but i still loved it.

I remember racing the early predators when I still had a bosscat.

One particular regional B final my dad said to me, "dont worry about that predator, he probably wont finish the race"
Sure enough the pred passed me in the first laps and began to build up a lead.
A few minutes from the end I passed a front wheel in the track, half a lap later I pass a three wheeled pred :) The poor guy had collected a backmarker and lost a wheel.

I always felt a bit guilty when I tangled with a predator when I was driving the bosscat.. there was only even one way that was going to end. It was like hitting an apple with a brick.

[brooksy]

I had the first ever incarnation of the pred all those years ago,I bought it second hand and the problem for me was getting the spacing correct on the drive shaft with those thin gold spacers. When I got it right the car was the best I've driven(UNTIL I BOUGHT MY DEX 410 THAT IS),especially indoors. Unbelievable speed.

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[isobarik]

Never had one and havent run one either but just got to say they still look awsome....i have seen one at a race ones and it brooke still ...it looked awsome ........

mvh Isobarik

[93works]

bit of a fan here also! out of all my cars its the one my mate's always pic up !! new built 95 pro with serial number! if anyone has a body let me know :thumbsup:

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[Bungleaio]

Here's my 95 pro, currently sporting the chassis from a National. I really need to rebuild this and get the CF chassis back on it.

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[SHY]

Sexy!!! :wub

[DanB4]

Nice to see you on oOple David!

I won't be at the next off road meeting to race but hoping to pop down with the family.

Cheers,

Dan :cool:

[Dan Holmes]

Awesome car!!

I got one when it first came out.. So far advanced for it's time, Remeber doing the Reedy Race of Champoins at Marstons in 98 or something and I think every pred won it's final..

A few reliability issues like chassis snapping and them flippin shims on the diff housing moving all the time...

But when they went well nothing could touch em.. Nice to see the design hasn't changed that much..

Now I just got back into RC cars again I am tempted to get a pred for me 4WD.

[sldmodels]

I remember the original ones, you could always tell who was running one as the noise they made was horrendous. When I cam back to racing after a 5 year gap, I had wanted a pred TC, but they stopped making them didn't they? Anyone know if there's any plans to bring one back?

[Dyna]

A few reliability issues like chassis snapping....

:lol:

[isobarik]

I still have the car action issue where kinwald drove the international to victory Derek furutani was third also with a pred.....

i did see an add in an later mag from 97 ish where they presented theire new shell for the pred ...............the one they still use ....

mvh isobarik

[Nick Goodall]

Awesome car!!

I got one when it first came out.. So far advanced for it's time, Remeber doing the Reedy Race of Champoins at Marstons in 98 or something and I think every pred won it's final..

A few reliability issues like chassis snapping and them flippin shims on the diff housing moving all the time...

But when they went well nothing could touch em.. Nice to see the design hasn't changed that much..

Now I just got back into RC cars again I am tempted to get a pred for me 4WD.

That was 1996 - Still one of the best meetings I ever did, i've still got the print outs somewhere from the race, but Mark Francis and Jason Ruona came over for it which was cool... Best thing though was Rory Cull turning up to have a play, i had never got to see him race as he'd packed up just as i started, someone lent him a load of gear but he hadn't raced for ages and it showed.... The Preds were going well though, i remember that much - i had a couple of 2nd places with my Cat 2000 EC so was pretty happy with that at 14, i wish they'd done more of those events.

[pieterke]

Remember the pred isn't a car from the past guys
now it's very reliable and still fast
look at Kev Lee last week

you can still return too that old love, you won't regret it (that's my opinion:thumbsup:)

cheers

[The Pookster]

I loved the Predator. Way ahead of it's time.

Was fortunate enough to know Richard Weatherley (and his brother John who was British Rally Champion in a Mazda 323 in the early 90s). Richard built a test track in his back garden where the car was developed, remember testing with and without the wings, made a massive difference.

[Nick Goodall]

Yeah definitely, the car was a nightmare if you lost the front wing during a run - i remember having all sorts of problems cornering but especially jumping.....

I still think it's the best 4wd car i raced, and that was 2001 - Even then it was considered pretty old so great stuff that it's still winning now with essentially the same design 16 years later.....

[fox]

Like the keypad speedo

[isobarik]

key pad speedo like the 410K got to love it still silky smooth ..with brushed of course....

mvh Isobarik

[Jooles]

Hi there,

I thought you would be interested in seeing some more old Pred stuff... I'm too young for having raced those in the days (I'm not racing anyway, no tracks here...) but I love those cars, how they are made and how they feel and look! I hope you'll like those!

So here is a Pred XT

http://www.tamiyaclub.com/getuserimage.asp?t=&id=img29509_28122009115432_1.jpg

http://www.tamiyaclub.com/getuserimage.asp?t=&id=img29509_28122009115432_2.jpg

http://www.tamiyaclub.com/getuserimage.asp?t=&id=img29509_28122009115432_3.jpg

http://www.tamiyaclub.com/getuserimage.asp?t=&id=img29509_28122009115432_4.jpg

http://www.tamiyaclub.com/getuserimage.asp?t=&id=img29509_28122009115432_5.jpg

Those guys were mad : I love the fact the spoilers came with lexan parts to make them like an inverted plane wing :wub The spare axle is a one-way version ;)

And now, a NIB DTM. I love this also because every purse is labelled with the name of the guy that made it. It's pretty impressive!

http://www.tamiyaclub.com/getuserimage.asp?t=&id=img29509_28122009114835_1.jpg

http://www.tamiyaclub.com/getuserimage.asp?t=&id=img29509_28122009114835_2.jpg

http://www.tamiyaclub.com/getuserimage.asp?t=&id=img29509_28122009114835_3.jpg

http://www.tamiyaclub.com/getuserimage.asp?t=&id=img29509_28122009114835_4.jpg

http://www.tamiyaclub.com/getuserimage.asp?t=&id=img29509_28122009114835_5.jpg

It misses the instruction manual though :cry:

Hope you liked it!

Julien

[Stretch]

That was 1996 - Still one of the best meetings I ever did, i've still got the print outs somewhere from the race, but Mark Francis and Jason Ruona came over for it which was cool... Best thing though was Rory Cull turning up to have a play, i had never got to see him race as he'd packed up just as i started, someone lent him a load of gear but he hadn't raced for ages and it showed.... The Preds were going well though, i remember that much - i had a couple of 2nd places with my Cat 2000 EC so was pretty happy with that at 14, i wish they'd done more of those events.

I've raced against Rory - and lost! His used cells took me to a BRCA Regional A final using a motor designed for Monster trucks (Truggy's in current marketing speak) in a Procat. :)

[93works]

Hi there,

I thought you would be interested in seeing some more old Pred stuff... I'm too young for having raced those in the days (I'm not racing anyway, no tracks here...) but I love those cars, how they are made and how they feel and look! I hope you'll like those!

So here is a Pred XT

http://www.tamiyaclub.com/getuserimage.asp?t=&id=img29509_28122009115432_1.jpg

http://www.tamiyaclub.com/getuserimage.asp?t=&id=img29509_28122009115432_2.jpg

http://www.tamiyaclub.com/getuserimage.asp?t=&id=img29509_28122009115432_3.jpg

http://www.tamiyaclub.com/getuserimage.asp?t=&id=img29509_28122009115432_4.jpg

http://www.tamiyaclub.com/getuserimage.asp?t=&id=img29509_28122009115432_5.jpg

Those guys were mad : I love the fact the spoilers came with lexan parts to make them like an inverted plane wing :wub The spare axle is a one-way version ;)

And now, a NIB DTM. I love this also because every purse is labelled with the name of the guy that made it. It's pretty impressive!

http://www.tamiyaclub.com/getuserimage.asp?t=&id=img29509_28122009114835_1.jpg

http://www.tamiyaclub.com/getuserimage.asp?t=&id=img29509_28122009114835_2.jpg

http://www.tamiyaclub.com/getuserimage.asp?t=&id=img29509_28122009114835_3.jpg

http://www.tamiyaclub.com/getuserimage.asp?t=&id=img29509_28122009114835_4.jpg

http://www.tamiyaclub.com/getuserimage.asp?t=&id=img29509_28122009114835_5.jpg

It misses the instruction manual though :cry:

Hope you liked it!

Julien

did you just buy the dtm off ebaY resently??

[Cooper]

VERY nice cars Julien !!! :wub

[Stretch]

Right, where's the XK98 and the camera...

[bish]

Some nice cars there, i had one in the 90's, swapped my Bosscat for it. the other guys couldn't stay away from solid objects (at any speed!) let's just say the Bosscat suited his style! Predator was soooo smooth on carpet indoors, love the DTM one too.

[Jooles]

Thanks for the comments!

did you just buy the dtm off ebaY resently??

No, I didn't even knew there was one for sale. Damn :D I've bought mine of RC/Tech : it made the trip back from the US to Europe :D

Julien

[fishman]

I still have a MK1 pred i think from 1993?? , i wouldent mind parting with it if anyone is interested,

[fidspeed]

:lol:

yep been there twice !!! 1st time tangled with my 9 yr old nephew (driving a cat 2000) on a club night mine just fell apart at front gearbox area 2nd time some clown in following race switched on (same xtal) before i had chance to pick my car up and it careered off under some tables and self destructed :thumbdown:
I had two preds first a "stick pack" car owned by William Mitcham with a Kev Moore shell on it 2nd car was a later "saddle pack" chassis (xk98?)
Also remember Graham Alsop flying at worksop indoor series (late 90,s)

never did manage to set gears properly !! howling like a demented banshee!

Oh happy days:thumbsup:

still have a 410k keypad in my f103 :thumbsup:

[bansheesho]

Thought I`d join in...

I just pulled this out of my basement after forgetting about it for a couple of years. I don't know the exact model but the guy that gave it to me said it was a Predator. I`m thinking of restoring it but it`s very hard to find parts for this thing.

[Dyna]

Looks to be mostly XK98 to me ? You rarely see a pre-x10 Pred thats totaly original though due to people breaking/upgrading them and using whatever parts they could get at the time no matter what model it was :lol:

Myself and a mate have got a couple of full boxes of brand new packaged Pred parts, maybe 250-300 odd packets... including a few gems such as an original '94 XT Pred large propshaft ( work of art in itself ), early gearbox tops, suspension arms, shocks etc etc and all parts moving all the way up to the P8.

When i went though all the suspension arms for example i never realised there were so many different revisons with very minor detail changes !

Ill be restoring my Preds but ill do a parts list next week if anyones interested in NIP parts from the XT to P8 and everything inbetween.... ?

[Frecklychimp]

Looks like a Predator XK98 with the saddle pack chassis and the red anodised bits, although the body is the older international/FTQ type.

Seeing the Schumacher Cat 2000 battery straps fitted to yours reminds me of a gang of us racing the Predators in late 90's, the other common modification was Losi XX4 rear wing mounts and associated rear wings to get more down force.

Thumbs up to collecting the old cars, definitely tempted with the P8 on ebay atm!

[Martin Wallace]

Thought you guys might like to see some pics of my Vintage first gen predator.

This car is just a hash up of spare parts and was never raced as we did a fair bit of destruction testing at the beginning, hence the single colour shell. I raced from 88 - 94, and used a predator in the British National Championship (along with Kevin Moore, Richmond Rogers, Ben Sturnham and Rob Gammon) in 1994 before retiring.

The original carbon tub chassis is lovely. Just dragged it off the shelf at my folks where its been gathering dust for the last 15 years.

I have had my interest rekindled and just bought a B44 to start racing again.:thumbsup:

Cheers
David


david i remember you racing that car up at stonehaven at one off the scottish rounds, in 1994. it was the day that ayrton senna unfortunitly. and i also remember that car cart-rolling up the back straight at full speed and all the wheels and wishbones ripped of it.

dont know if youll remember me (martin wallace) i think you were giving up buggys when i started them. i was running a yokomo yz10 from mike martin.
cars looking great btw. i have a predator international also and looking to restore it to. the buggys are coming back to life in scotland again for next year.

you up for a comeback if you arnt already?

[Dave77]

I remember you Martin, and I also remember racing Stonehaven the day Senna died, and for some strange reason remember driving home from Stonehaven to Dundee as I was learning to drive full size cars at the time (and what a fortune that has cost me since then, but thats another story!) but I remember nothing at all about the race meeting, in fact dont recall that much about racing in 94 apart from the British rounds.

I bought a 2nd hand b44, and raced once at the Scottish regional Stonehaven and then a club round and thats it so far.

Plan to do the Scottish next yr, but have some set up work to do.

Maybe see you racing in '11.

Cheers
David

[RogerM]

I still have a huge soft spot for the Preds. My first was an XT, then a 95 Pro, XK98 then P8 which I still have.

Was an awesome car and I never really suffered too much with breakages to be honest (except the XT I have to admit that). I remember doing an entire season, regionals and nationals with the P8 without putting a single part on it ... not even a spur or front wing!

On the sub topic I used to live down the road from Rory Cull. His dad, Roger, helped me a lot to get back into racing after my father died in 1990 and his mum, Fran', and I ran the club in Evesham for it's whole duration. Some of the nicest people you could hope to meet. Almost every time I drove one of Rory's cars I'd say "thats got no steering" to which he always replied "gets around alright". I think all my kit came as cast offs from Rory and Dan / Nick Marson for quite a number of years.

[Martin Wallace]

I remember you Martin, and I also remember racing Stonehaven the day Senna died, and for some strange reason remember driving home from Stonehaven to Dundee as I was learning to drive full size cars at the time (and what a fortune that has cost me since then, but thats another story!) but I remember nothing at all about the race meeting, in fact dont recall that much about racing in 94 apart from the British rounds.

I bought a 2nd hand b44, and raced once at the Scottish regional Stonehaven and then a club round and thats it so far.

Plan to do the Scottish next yr, but have some set up work to do.

Maybe see you racing in '11.

Cheers
David


indeed david mate, falkirk run the club on sundays and i think most down our way in fife qill be there but we are planning the national next year for the odd few rounds, ive just bought a durango,

lookin gforward to seeing you again on/off the track its been a while

martin

[Stretch]

Thought I`d join in...

I just pulled this out of my basement after forgetting about it for a couple of years. I don't know the exact model but the guy that gave it to me said it was a Predator. I`m thinking of restoring it but it`s very hard to find parts for this thing.

XK98 - I have an original one. :) I have several sets of wheels/tyres in good cosmetic condition. If you're going to run it though, I suggest fitting the later metal gears.

[SHY]

Could anyone tell me the whole Pred story? Or point me to a website with it? When it all started etc?

[Cooper]

Try www.the-pred.co.uk, go under downloads and read vintage articles :-)
if you still want more, go to the forum and read over there.
also go to the T.tech legends section.
It's alot to type in here :) :lol:

or you can marry Northy and he will tell you all about it.

[SHY]

Thx! And thx, but no thx! :lol:

[predator_ttech]

Hello all,

Sadly I am selling my T Tech predator:

My parents have been storing it for the past 19 / 20 years and no longer have the space (no space at ours either)

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/TTech-Tenth-Technology-x10-Predator-4wd-buggy-vintage-rare/232353242259?_trksid=p2481888.c100678.m3607&_trkparms=aid%3D111001%26algo%3DREC.SEED%26ao%3D1% 26asc%3D20160908131621%26meid%3D62e7216e1dd04f9f97 9455d22f487e91%26pid%3D100678%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D3%2 6sd%3D172586975216&_trkparms=pageci%253A2f2720bd-4792-11e7-8622-74dbd180525a%257Cparentrq%253A68dc407b15c0a866eb33 709bfff3f92e%257Ciid%253A1

But have I got the model right? I have receipts for parts purchased in 97. Which I don't think is long after I purchased the car. Does this make it a national or international? How can I tell?

Also, where would I find the serial number?

Thanks

[daz75]

Hello all,

Sadly I am selling my T Tech predator:

My parents have been storing it for the past 19 / 20 years and no longer have the space (no space at ours either)

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/TTech-Tenth-Technology-x10-Predator-4wd-buggy-vintage-rare/232353242259?_trksid=p2481888.c100678.m3607&_trkparms=aid%3D111001%26algo%3DREC.SEED%26ao%3D1% 26asc%3D20160908131621%26meid%3D62e7216e1dd04f9f97 9455d22f487e91%26pid%3D100678%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D3%2 6sd%3D172586975216&_trkparms=pageci%253A2f2720bd-4792-11e7-8622-74dbd180525a%257Cparentrq%253A68dc407b15c0a866eb33 709bfff3f92e%257Ciid%253A1

But have I got the model right? I have receipts for parts purchased in 97. Which I don't think is long after I purchased the car. Does this make it a national or international? How can I tell?

Also, where would I find the serial number?

Thanks

Be good if you could reply to my question on eBay about your car

[MattW]

It's not an X10. My guess would be XK98, based on the chassis and red aloy. However, your manual says national / International.

Not sure if later cars were serialised in the same way as early ones.

[Dyna]

Xk98 chassis, some earlier parts. No serial number on these. Looks pretty tidy and genuine. Front wing and a bit of a clean up and that's a nice car.