Vega B4.1 vs X6 vs C4.1

[Toyman]

I consider converting my B4 to mid-motor, so the choice is among X6, Vega and the upcoming C4.1.

What's your thoughts on pros/cons of each option?

For me, it looks like this:

X6
+ proven, lots of info, stick lipos (no need to buy saddles), cheap
- setup is very different from rear-motor B4 (need to play a lot with settings to match my pretty dialed B4), many proprietary parts (some of them are easy to break eg wing holders)

Vega
+ cool'n'shiny :-), easy to convert, setup is not very different
- requires saddles, new/unproven

C4.1
+ as per vega plus proven in the recent BRCA events
- unavailable (but I am ready to wait couple of weeks)

[TheReferee]

seems to me you have covered all the options. if you dont want to buy new lipo's then its the X6.
if your not confident about your own setup ability then again more setup info on the X6.

if you dont mind new lipo's and you are happy to work on setups then C4.1 or vega.

if you want a proven national winner, then its X6 or C4.1.

other considerations are the amount of spares you already have, the X6 uses more of its own parts than other B4 conversions.

As we pit with Tom yardy and i have seen the development of the C4.1 over the winter and into the start of the nationals i am of course slightly biased towards that car.

[Toyman]

thanks! Buying lipo is not a problem, of course, I would prefer to keep the current ones, but it's not a big deal.
How different is C4.1 vs. Vega? From what I can see from the pictures, they are quite similar.

[grelland]

I have run the X6 and now just started to test the vega, and the engineering quality on the vega is outstanding. Setup support is limited at the moment, but will grow. I started out with the original X6, and my feeling at that time was that the amount of dremeling and quality of parts were not that good, but all that has been rectified with the latest releases, I understand.

also a plus for the vega that it uses a lot more of the original b4 parts than the x6. That is an issue for me at least, as I have 3 sons all running b4's.

[MRD]

I'm gonna throw a spanner in the works now..

I have two x6 sq's and out of all of my cars they are the easiest to drive and own. Mantinence is easy and parts are cheap enough. The wing mounts are made with a softer plastic so arn't a problem anymore and eveything else is bomb proof. One of the things I like the most is how easy and fast it is to change rear toe and anti squat.

Now the thing is to convert to an X6 can be expensive. Yes the kit is cheaper but you still need other bits to get the best out of it like Hangers and the longer axles so you can add an extra £25 there. BUT you can get a second hand x6 sq with all those bits and losi shocks for £150 or less so I'd keep the B4 as it is, buy a used x6 and use whats left of you're budget to buy electrics, then you have the best of both worlds :thumbsup:

[nicVEGAchildJR]

Vega is an amazing car

[TheRacePlace]

The X6 is a lovely car to both build and drive, i used to run one myself until it just got very old and worn out forcing me to switch to another car.

over the last few months i have been racing and pitting with Tom Yardy and i have watched the C4.1 gradually grow into a superb looking car, as the last national at RHR proved all 3 C4.1s made the A and respectfully finishing 1,2 and 4 .

:)

[Tom3012]

Honestly... Pick whichever one you like the look of the most, they're all good cars, and the two newer ones are proving themselves already... Set ups will develope as time goes on...

I personally think the C4.1 looks the best, i loved the S2 back in the day though so thats why :wub

Alternatively... Keep your B4 as is and try an ansmann x2c for the price of the other conversions...

[mark christopher]

look at set up help and back up, the c1 has the top uk associated pilots and cml/fastrax backing
the x6 is suported well, and although an "old" design still works, and set the trend were seeing now

[Toyman]

It's quite strange nobody is recommending Vega.
I would LOVE to buy C4.1, but it is not yet available, while the season is starting.
still, it looks like it is worth waiting

[MHeadling]

Got my Vega B4 today, what a piece of kit!

The quality and finish on the conversion are second to none

The alloy gearbox is a work of art, it comes with the extra idler gear, bearings and diff bearings too and all the hardware to complete

There are not any other conversions with an alloy gearbox and all that carbon

Well worth a look and it's in stock, give Team Xtreme a call to check first

[MikePimlott]

all 3 C4.1s made the A and respectfully finishing 1,2 and 4 .:)

what about the 4th one Phil Sleigh ran?

If you want something now thats proven its an X6, BUT! is there another hop up due with new rear end ?
I have heard people say they have tested all 3 Vegas and the kyosho one is the best, which doesnt help you.

And the C4.1 is not available yet but does look TASTY

[_sleigh_]

what about the 4th one Phil Sleigh ran?

If you want something now thats proven its an X6, BUT! is there another hop up due with new rear end ?
I have heard people say they have tested all 3 Vegas and the kyosho one is the best, which doesnt help you.

And the C4.1 is not available yet but does look TASTY

Not really the best day for me and I didn't show the C4.1 design off to the best of it's or my abilities. The car I ran was the first prototype created by Yardy way back in the winter. It ran a carbon chassis set-up and B4 style gearbox internals.

I think the wider view is the alloy chassis obviously gives a lower CoG and therefore handles much better. That's not to say the car I ran was poor, that was more me on the day.

[MikePimlott]

Not really the best day for me and I didn't show the C4.1 design off to the best of it's or my abilities. The car I ran was the first prototype created by Yardy way back in the winter. It ran a carbon chassis set-up and B4 style gearbox internals.

I think the wider view is the alloy chassis obviously gives a lower CoG and therefore handles much better. That's not to say the car I ran was poor, that was more me on the day.

Still made a national B final though Phil, first time out with a new car, built friday evening :thumbsup: awesome result.

[styleone]

Yardies c4.1 in the recent oople race report looks amazing...I know its still final stage proto but it looks really serious...with so many mid motor chassis kits out these days I think a lot of it comes down to personal preference, although saying that....my cr2 se just winked at me across the work shop....classic mid 2wd....I hear so many good things from vega owners I feel xfactory are gonna have to step the heat up very soon...and that's from an x6 owner.

The choice is becoming wider in mid 2wd and that is brilliant for us all...trouble is they all look nice...proofs in the drive I guess

I hear the bank account wincing again :confused:

[Rebelrc]

Vega! All the way!
Drives amazing! Reliability! Quality! Price!Ease of set up
The whole ticket:thumbsup:

[RudeTony]

It's quite strange nobody is recommending Vega.
I would LOVE to buy C4.1, but it is not yet available, while the season is starting.
still, it looks like it is worth waiting

I think when you evaluate you have to look at a lower ability rather than look at Bradder winning at RHR. He probably would of won anyways as he was right up there last year there and doesn't exacly go slow with his standard B4, as proven by winning the Petit race!
I don't agree the C4.1 is proven anything.
I got 22nd at the first National with my Kyosho Vega and I was dissapointed.
Please don't misunderstand - the C4.1 looks good but the Vega is Great

[markwilliamson2001]

My biggest problem with the vega, is how to buy one! Go onto team extremes website, they only seem to do pred stuff!!! :o The C4.1 seems to have much better advertising on CML's website. Sorry if this seems like a negative comment??? The vega does look very nice, but it would be great if some better advertising/website structure was in place at team extreme to deal with paying customers like myself who they need to snap up.

Off my soapbox now.
:)

[MikePimlott]

The vega does look very nice, but it would be great if some better advertising/website structure was in place at team extreme to deal with paying customers like myself who they need to snap up.

Off my soapbox now.
:)

There is! Its called inside line racing. :thumbsup:

[TheReferee]

I think when you evaluate you have to look at a lower ability rather than look at Bradder winning at RHR. He probably would of won anyways as he was right up there last year there and doesn't exacly go slow with his standard B4, as proven by winning the Petit race!
I don't agree the C4.1 is proven anything.
I got 22nd at the first National with my Kyosho Vega and I was dissapointed.
Please don't misunderstand - the C4.1 looks good but the Vega is Great

tony
you have a point and i am sure all 4 c4.1 drivers would have been in the high finals irrespective of the chassis they used, had this thread been about the kyosho vega then yes it goes well, but we are talking about a B4 conversion, the front end/gearbox internals/shocks are completely different. in effect we are talking about two completely different cars. you can base an opinion that as they share the common chassis and other parts that if the kyosho vega is good then the B4 vega should also be good. but you know the difference even a small change can make to a cars handling and general driveability, it could be that the b4 vega is actually better than it kyosho sister of course the opposite could be true.

john

[grelland]

My biggest problem with the vega, is how to buy one! Go onto team extremes website, they only seem to do pred stuff!!! :o The C4.1 seems to have much better advertising on CML's website. Sorry if this seems like a negative comment??? The vega does look very nice, but it would be great if some better advertising/website structure was in place at team extreme to deal with paying customers like myself who they need to snap up.

Off my soapbox now.
:)

http://www.teamxtreme.co.uk/store/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=16&zenid=508d64ae0b10ac0659638029c58e8e00

[RudeTony]

My biggest problem with the vega, is how to buy one! Go onto team extremes website, they only seem to do pred stuff!!! :o The C4.1 seems to have much better advertising on CML's website. Sorry if this seems like a negative comment??? The vega does look very nice, but it would be great if some better advertising/website structure was in place at team extreme to deal with paying customers like myself who they need to snap up.

Off my soapbox now.
:)

Oh Mark - It's not hard to get one mate!!!

[gazhillAE]

Not an x6!
C4.1 is the biggest option and looking the best on track also!
Although the vega cars do look great and very well made no one seems to run one.

[RobW]

Oh Mark - It's not hard to get one mate!!!

Tony

It's probably not that hard but it is harder than it needs to be.:(

Not going into details about any specific model shop on an open forum but as a general point if an outlet has an on-line ordering system it needs to be kept up-to-date. I always think it kinda defeats the object if you have to call them before you order.

I gave up and bought the replacement bits for my X6 - doubt I'll be able to resist the lure of a Vega for much longer though:)

Rob

[MHeadling]

The Vega cars are getting out there, last batch of B4 ones there were over 30 pre sold, I am sure they will be hitting the tracks soon!

At my local club there are 6 vega's already, mostly B4 and 1 x Kyosho.

The pictures dont do the car justice, the machine work is amazing, go for it! :thumbsup:

As for support, you have some top drivers running it, maybe not as many of the B4 version but you can cross over set ups and get it how you want it.
Lots of oople people are willing to help, Kev Lee, Nicvega, Tony Evdoke, Alec Springer all top racers and I am sure the list will grow!

[Toyman]

Does anybody know when C4.1 is going to be available? July?
If it's too far away, I'll go for Vega.

[MHeadling]

Why wait! You could be racing the Vega next week (check stocks with Xtreme first) and it only took me 2 hours to convert it over, happy days!

Is it a B4.1 you have a or a B4?

Just check when you order as the diff bearings/gearbox is different for each car, let Xtreme know and they can select the correct one for you.

[markwilliamson2001]

http://www.teamxtreme.co.uk/store/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=16&zenid=508d64ae0b10ac0659638029c58e8e00

Why is it under VEGA Power, and Not Kits? Seems odd to me, but hey ho, thanks for the link.

[chuckie stella]

tony
you have a point and i am sure all 4 c4.1 drivers would have been in the high finals irrespective of the chassis they used,

john

That's the point, John! All the C4.1 drivers would probably have beat me with stella cans for wheels. I think we need to see some mortals driving the car before people can pass judgement.

[goldy]

[QUOTE=TheReferee;501354]tony
you have a point and i am sure all 4 c4.1 drivers would have been in the high finals irrespective of the chassis they used

forgive me for pointing this out, but is that why the very top guys are paid to race these cars, they are just marketing. I would say if you take away all the team drivers out the the rest are just like sheep, if a product is seen to be getting the results people will go out and buy it because they think it will make them go better. fair enough, but in the real world we are just going round in circles and if nobody made anything new nobody would be making any money. going back to the debate on which car is best, none of them is the answer it all comes down to the individual, driving it, setting the thing up, and getting the very best on the day out of it. I am a lesser driver with little experiance, and not to be bias, but I have improved on average 2 finals since I have been using my vega :thumbsup:

[SimonW]

I bought the 3rd RB5 car they had made @ Petit before I'd even seen it running purely because as an engineer myself looking @ the pictures i could see how well made it was and i thought to myself 'If i was gonna make a car myself properly I'd have come up with something similar'. My wife says i stare at it to much, lol. Since getting mine i have never been so fast, in fact i won my first regional with it the other weekend.
http://www.brca-eoe.co.uk/#/results/4540543515 Scroll down to results Rnd2

[MHeadling]

Well said Goldy ! Too true the top racers in the Uk could race any make of chassis and do well, they are just good at what they do!

Its the club racers and regional guys that are worth watching, the ones who have vega conversions seem to go very well! Iv driven the Kyosho version at Epr and it was so nice to drive, I was doing the same lap times as my 4wd.

I agree Simon it's an engineering master piece! It's amazing for the price they Xtreme can produce a car like this.

Vega Baby! :thumbsup:

[Wraggy]

forgive me for pointing this out, but is that why the very top guys are paid to race these cars, they are just marketing.
think you may find that not many "top drivers" actually get paid to race.

[SimonW]

Wot? You mean none get a retaining payment or expenses? I find that hard to believe.

[RudeTony]

Paul is right - very few and select drivers are actually being paid to race.
Expenses and tyres etc etc is another deal.
Paid is actually doing it for a living or semi-professional..(i can never remember 2 'F's or 2 'S's)

The point is clear through = The Kyosho Vega is the way to go - LOL
TQ and Win last night with many good drivers :)

[TheRacePlace]

Its not just the cars that make them good also , its what kinda track layout/surface we race on, different cars work better on different surfaces and react better or worse dependant on the layout, its also always about the right setup :) as i found last night at RCArena a slight little change makes a massive difference.

i dont think it honestly matters which car you eventually decide to go for there all goood manufactured cars, its wether you as a driver feel comfortable driving it.:)

[chuckie stella]

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[goldy]

think you may find that not many "top drivers" actually get paid to race.


All the time a driver is not paying out of his own pocket to race, he is being payed to race. it would be interesting to see if you took all the assistance away what cars the top drivers would choose if they had to part with their own hard earned cash. No chance of anyone having the balls to be honest though ehh

[Ben Cosgrove]

These top drivers started the same way as everyone ie buying their stuff and racing at the bottom. After showing dedication and skill they now find themselves in a position that companies respect them enough to showcase their products. People always make things sound like the top guys don't deserve the support. It takes a long time to make it to the top of this hobby. I bet if you ask neil cragg to total up his racing costs including trips abroad for the duration of his race career you would be shocked at the amount spent to be in a position he is now (although I don't know his deals so can only assume)

[RudeTony]

Ben you are right - some drivers have put in so much time and money into our sports before they were sponsored or paid or whatever one wants to call it, it's insane. If they are now good enough to be paid either expenses, or wages or bonuses or whatever then I say, good luck to them.
With another TQ and Win, Toyman it's still the Kyosho Vega you should pick.
From a non-paid driver - LOL :)

[RobW]

Just noticed Trackside spares are now allowing pre-orders on C4.1 with an estimated delivery of late Aug. Given that delivery dates for stuff hardly ever comes forward, I guess we are realistically looking at Sept – bit late for the outdoor season.

Bit of a shame but I guess CML were never going to release the production kit until they were 100% happy – it seems to be a bit of a tradition with AE cars to keep you waiting a bit until they get it 100% anyway so maybe CML are just keeping with tradition.:) Sure they will sell every one of the first few batches they can make just on pre-orders!!

Rob