VW Golf - 1.9 TDI / 2.0 TDI of GTI ?

[andys]

I'm sure i've read some VW info on oOple before, so maybe there's some experts out there.

My car search has led me to the car i've always wanted - a Golf.

Considering an 07 / 08 Mk 5 GTI, or one of the diesels.

Thing is there's a 1.9 or a 2.0 diesel - which is best ?
Is the 170 GT Diesel better than the GTI in the real world ?
Is the GTI worth a punt, i'd be looking at getting one with around 50K on the clock.
What milage should each engine do ?

Cheers Guys.
Andy

[budfish]

I'm sure i've read some VW info on oOple before, so maybe there's some experts out there.

My car search has led me to the car i've always wanted - a Golf.

Considering an 07 / 08 Mk 5 GTI, or one of the diesels.

Thing is there's a 1.9 or a 2.0 diesel - which is best ?
Is the 170 GT Diesel better than the GTI in the real world ?
Is the GTI worth a punt, i'd be looking at getting one with around 50K on the clock.
What milage should each engine do ?

Cheers Guys.
Andy

Go for the 2.0 gttdi andy they are the bollocks and the resale value is higher than on the gti which I think is a bit Chav.
If you want the gti look then you can always change the grill and front bumper.
The gti will do average 35 mpg and the tdi 45 on average ive had an early version and the diesel is a better drive plus you really feel the turbo in them a good remap will see it at 190bhp to 200bhp but it's the torque that wins it on the diesel for me

Buds

[MattW]

Andy, It's worth checking "which" engines the diesels are. I'ave had a couple of Seat Leons, the 1.9 PD 150bhp engine is good decent, good for 45 odd to the gallon.

I now have a 2.0 PD 170 diesel in a later Leon. There are 2 versions of the 2.0 170 engine, the PD and the CR (common rail). I think the GTTDI used the CR, but not 100% sure. This engine is said to be a little more refined / quieter. It is also said to be good for more mpg.

There is one definitely known issue with the PD 170's, and that's that they are fitted with a DPF - Diesel Particulate filter. So far, mine has been fine, however, there are a lot of stories of people that have issues with DPF. Basically, when it goes, it's gonna cost you a good wedge. I don't know if the CR has this or not. Chipping this engine makes the DPF a bigger issue, to the point that a lot of the tuners will refuse to do this engine. I believe Revo killed their test car's DPF within days!!

[B&H Racing]

I`ve got a Mk4 TDI GTI, I know its not the same as you're looking for.

But it is a very good car PD 150 bhp standard engine, so it has got a bit of punch.

From Kent to Great Yarmouth to Northampton back to Kent averaged 65mpg :thumbsup:

[teambowen]

I to have a 140 bhp GTTDI pd mk4 golf.
175K on the clock and still going really well.
Fuel economy is 49mpg over 9000 miles on the trip and that's with towing when off racing with 4 up in the car.

The 170bhp is a lot less econimical which is what we all need with prices the way they are.
But it all depends what you want from the car.

Try a test drive with vw and see what you think of the 2 you mentioned.
I personally think the golf has gone down hill since the mk5 with the plasticy dash but thats my opinion.

I love my mk4, it's been no trouble since i bought it with 29k on the clock and i have spent some sort of time in it. But i wouldn't have a newer one.
My next car will be an Audi A4 Sline estate, 130bhp 6sp with all the trimmings.
Good econimy, ride and i think style.

My thoughts anyway.

J

[SlowOne]

MkV Golfs are notoriously unreliable, with expensive problems. Check this out...

http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/carbycar/volkswagen/golf-v-2004/?section=bad

...and then check this out from Warranty Direct based on 50,000 claims - keep scrolling down as the Golf is number 81 out of 100!

http://www.reliabilityindex.com/top-100

DEKRA in Germany rate reliability across 15m cars, and VW don't trouble their scorers. I can't find the full results on line, but the 2009 survey rated Ford and Honda cars top, with VW, Audi, BMW and Merc nowhere to write home about. If everything in life was as reliable as a Volkswagen, it appears we wouldn't be getting much satisfaction!!

If you want the car for the image, then go ahead. If you want the car for cost of purchase and ownership, I'd shop elsewhere. HTH :)

[andys]

I'd consider a Mk4 Diesel - I've being a passenger in a pals many years ago and it was great.

What kind of milage should I look for ?
A local dealer has a very tidy Bluemotion Diesel - any cop ? Is this a Mk 5 ??

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201136414362820/sort/priceasc/usedcars/make/volkswagen/quicksearch/true/postcode/ls260nh/page/1/radius/1?logcode=p


Cheers.

[SlowOne]

That's a MkV. Mk4 has the fishbowl headlights and the MkVI is the latest one with the slit-eye headlights and the corporate grill.

Can't help with a selection as I've never wanted to own one and so have never done any research on them. My post above is based on friends and work colleagues who have had some of these issues, and trying to persuade my son not to buy one! He has a Honda Civic (2007 on an 07 plate) and is absolutely delighted with it. HTH :)

[spud31]

Avoid the pd140/170 2.0 16v diesels as these are still suffering injector faliure, an not many are being done under warrenty or good will @ £649 each.
The later 2.0 cr 170 engine is a winner an can be remapped to 200bhp easily an makes it even more economic.
Most imprtant is allow £500 to £700 for a clutch an dual mass flywheel on any diesel as they dont seem to last long.
Dont discount pd130 engined cars my mk4 ibiza is 193bhp lol!

[Chesty]

I recntly changed car & having done a shed load of research I was put off the VAG 2.0 TDi engines by the constant bad reports about them:thumbdown:

Apparently the oil pumps fail (due to bad design) along with a host of other problems... Just one example:

http://briskoda.net/forums/topic/179375-when-were-20-tdi-oil-pump-problems-fixed/

The 1.9 TDi's, although coarse & less refined are supposedly much more reliable - I had one (2003 A3) for 4 years without a problem...

With any VAG you always have the risk of the ESP failing at any point with a bill of £1500 to fix:o

As SlowOne said: 'If only everything in life was as reliable as a Volkswagen' is a bit of a joke now. Just ask anybody in the trade who doesn't work at VW main dealer.

[cigbunt]

1.8 is better on fuel.. bog standard!
the gt tdi is faster... you'll be lucky to find a low mileage car!

whats your budget?

[Big G]

I've owned my mk4 golf TDI for 3 1/2 years now and done 80k.

excluding normal service parts, brakes, tyres etc which everyone replaces the only parts i've had to buy are:

wheel bearings on the front. Running 18's and lowered seems to eat them.
ABS sensor on rear - £7
hand brake cables - £15
brake carrier seized - £10
2 front wings rusted due to being run too low and wheels rubbed - £63 in the right colour :D
My shocks gave up after roughly 120k which is pretty good going. I put another set of FK coil overs on so that was £400
I replaced worn out bushes with poly ones as and when which was probably £100-150 for the whole car. Feels really tight and nice to drive now though and they've been on the car for years.

Mine's the older 110bhp model not the nice PD, but returns 620 miles from a tank full if you drive at 50mph. drive at 60/70 and you get 550. so a healthy 52mpg over the tank. I never trust the computer on the dash since that'll tell me 80mpg if I drive like a granny lol

I wouldn't believe a word "Honest John" has to say. what makes them anymore honest than the next website. Just because it's in their name lol. To me it's just a bunch of moaners crying because they have a problem with their cars and don't have the skills to fix it themselves. repairing your car isn't hard. take things off and remember the order they go back on and have the right tool for the job.

[ray carey]

We have had a mk5 golf for two years, great car and very quick too.(GT TDi) When we got it the turbo went in the first week, but it was warrented (phew !!!)
We have it serviced by VW even though it has high milage (115k).
Cant fault them, even driven it to Germany twice (650 mls there) almost on one tank (have to try out the autobarn hehe!!!)
If I was to sell this car how much would it be worth???
GT TDi
140bp
2ltr diesel
GTi monza alloys (copys)
silver in colour

[tisher]

1.9 tdi in my opinion are one of the best engines going I have owned over 45 cars in 20 years driving and about 6 1.9 tdi ranging from vw t4s to passats beetles all did over 150tho miles I currently have 2.0 audi a4 cab 08 and a golf estate 1.9 tdi 08 golf has already done 89tho go for the lower bhp ones as they dont hammmer the turbos as much but keep the serviced and you cant go wrong

[SlowOne]

Mine's the older 110bhp model not the nice PD,

I wouldn't believe a word "Honest John" has to say. what makes them anymore honest than the next website. Just because it's in their name lol. To me it's just a bunch of moaners crying because they have a problem with their cars and don't have the skills to fix it themselves. repairing your car isn't hard. take things off and remember the order they go back on and have the right tool for the job.As you could see on that site and here, the older models are not the ones that give the problems.

As for the comment about that site, you clearly haven't read the link. Can you replace the injectors, ESP packs and oil pumps - thought not. The details are gathered from actual reports, not from individuals. It's easy to tell when a car is reliable, because all he quotes is a few individuals, as any peek at the entries on the Honda Civic will tell.

If you don't believe him, then please give Andys a link to some facts you trust that tell us all how reliable this car is! And please, no older 110 models, as we know they are OK, we want information on Andys choice of a MkV with a 2.0 PD engine.