But its not is it - doesn't work the same.
What I'm saying is we need landscaping not massive jumps.....

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I have nowhere near the experience of most of you guys on here, I raced on the old track for a short while, left the scene for a good few years and then came back to the new track about 18 months ago. The best way of doing anything is to look at what other people are doing and copy the best bits, in business speak 'best practice'
So you guys that have seen all the other tracks around the country and raced for years, which is the best track and why? And can we copy the good bits?
I agree with Bud, a brick race control is a dream. I don't think it should be beyond us to find a welder and some corrugated sheet to roof the rostrum.
For what it's worth IMHO some surface and elevation changes would make for a more interesting track, I think we already have enough options for jumps.
I work in the roadworks industry so could certainly help with stuff like Tarmac, block paving etc
We need to reach consensus among the members and get on with it!

God i miss the old track.
But i really do agree with buds here,
it needs changing for next year to maintain current members.

Yes we have jumps, but they are too aggressive and inconsistant.
Dont need to be mulit surface, look at Stofold/Broxtowe.
I saw jonny post astro for sale..did anyone respond to it?
Seems to me that this isnt going to happen because people dont want it to happen.

Ive raced at bury on and off since 94, and members are the highest ive seen them.
If you want to keep it that way for a good few years, changes to track need to be made IMO

I agree I shouldn't have said massive jumps but yes landscaping and contour changing you can get huge height off a 2 foot kicker somthing we don't have now

As for wooden jumps aren't the meant for indoors and non permanent grass tracks? Shouldn't be being put out on an astro track

Needs sorting lads

Needs sorting in the correct channels.

If the members put a suggestion to the committee, then a comittiee meeting needs to be arranged to discuss.

I do get your point ive seen it but never raced there but i agree the top of the old straight with the jump a then the paving was a good feature for sure it took bit skill even more so in wet ... Surely si we could look at making somthing on one the straights could have a flat back one and one with jump or 2 down it and maybe even bit block paving? Also roof for rostrum i know we're there is some free roof panels but they are astpestof there not damaged so arnt dangous if we handle it right

A bit of Tarmac or paving would be good , maybe different astro , anything to give variation is surfac type
Sculpting and landscaping would give the track more character and a permanent well designed jump would add fun and some airtime even a proper berm that you can hammer round

It's not just bury members who want this
Go to other clubs talk to racers and pros alike we all agree bury needs changing
Some from other clubs may not comment much as they feel rude or its not there place but they say quietly " burys shit now it needs changing" they comment that it runs swell and is a friendly club though

Also the negative comments against def t track features are bullshit
That volcano will flood , what like yesterday
Kids will jump a proper jump on bikes
What like the kids racing at Batley that jumped the jumps during the finals break on scooters
Or at Kieghly were James lad was riding a quad over the awesome doubles

Lets build a track thinking of what could go right not wrong
And when it comes. To building lets get contractors to do it
I've got southport Astro guys number
We could ask James from rhr
And I'm sure there's others
Get some designs drawn up
Mine are still about somewhere
Get 3 grand or more out
And let's build a track that makes ya wanna come back year afte year
Rather than wanting to drive an hour away to get a challenging varied race day
Bury can be ace but its our track to modify and it needs it

this is just my opinion but we raced at bury for years and Matty has done for the last 11, the old track was night and day better than the new one end of,
the new track lacks features that's the word you need to use jumps don't need to be big or hard to do as long as new racers can drive over them slowly while they learn and the better or top guys that have the skill levels can jump or ramp 2-3 together SAFELY and be challenged, people /racers will come back
the reason most of us don't come is the track is overly awkward to get around all your features are up against the fence were one mistake kills the car so cant be driven fast and safe or daft and safe, ramps/jumps features/bomb holes should be track central and safe for untalented and novices alike but challenging enough for the experts,take a look at Broxtowe, rhr, rhr dirt, epr,even southport small but challenging,you guys need help and big help and quick IMHO.

If we are paying of course it needs doing properly.
However the track is the least of our problems. We need power to race control and perhaps a proper race controller who actually wants to be there and some members who'll turn out to maintain the track they have before we need to worry about becoming a Robin Hood clone.

Si this is Not a dig at you or any other the committee members.

Power to race control is a must and shouldn't be hard to achieve

We have you,mark,gav,rob,Birdy,Darren as committee members we only run every 2 weeks so if you all did it in turn that's once every 3 months instead of it being left to one man.

But the track is a must ASAP

What's there now is good, and definitely a good starting point for any improvement.

The features in there are good, but only when they're run in a certain direction or way... When the track changes week in week out and a certain feature is run in a different direction it can go from a really nice and easy obstacle to something unpredictable...

I think if you look at the old track and Southports, you've got features that are run the same way every time and work well (in my opinion), but the track layout can be changed to use or miss out these features and that way you have dynamic layouts but the features are always the same each time.

Just my thoughts on it.

So everyone wants a change but no one has actually thrown any solid ideas into the mix yet, ie where things could go what specific areas need to be changed etc,
is it worth getting a mock up of the track from above so you can throw your ideas into it, (with the current features already in there) - I would do this but at works computer cant upload anything. just a simple mockup on paint would suffice, then people can edit it each to their own, post it back up in the thread and try and get the best ideas together?

I understand what bigred is saying about jumps being car killers, for example the table tops, if you misjudge them you can be throwing your car into the fence, so is it worth thinking about some sort of netting or maybe even a permanent feature to stop/help reduce this?

and buds,
"Stop running winter meetings that don't make money at count hill for starters it's in Oldham.its a crap venue"

any ideas where else we could do it then? i quite liked the indoor racing over winter, throws abit of a mix into the yearly series,its a big enough hall its just a ball ache to set up a track there due to all the duct tape, but what other ways can you do it?

Winter meetings make little if any profit unless they are very busy. But Counthill is a lot cheaper than most possible venues so consequently less people need to go to cover the costs.
The other option is no racing at all over winter - we tried outdoors and its too bloody cold!

here are some sketchs i did in winter
weve been on about this for two years
{edit oople is being arsey and i cant upload pics}
but a fe people saw them during the winter rounds
i ill get em up soon
we need more action and pics or designs les talk and naysaying

i have also contacted a sk8park builder i know
he works for councils and all his guys have cscs cards
he built radcliffe sk8 park in concrete
walmsley sk8park
and many more 150000 pound plus parks around britain
uses a 10000 pound design package and i think hes the man for us
roger spoke to him in the past about track building to
he is a top contractor and can build anything we want
he says he will talk to our committee and he could start work in a few months
i ill be forwardeding his details to the other committee members
even if we do two features or modifications a year we are on course to a top race track in 2 or 3 years
the old track evovled with time this needs to as well

I've never been to the new track - not because I don't like things I hear, or even you bunch on clowns, but because I don't race away from York anymore. Here's my opinion anyway...
This was my favorite old skool track: Tiverton outdoors.

http://www.oople.com/rc/photos/tiver.../tiv4wd021.jpg

http://www.oople.com/rc/photos/tiver.../tiv2wd055.jpg

No big jumps, or obstacles, but massive height changes that the photo doesn't do justice to.
These are the key to all the great astro tracks in my opinion - look at RHR. From the bottom of the bombhole to the top of the tabletop is over 5 feet! And bombholes make excellent downramps (critical to not destroying a car).

http://www.oople.com/rc/photos/2012n..._Panorama1.jpg

So... If I remember from the pics correctly, what you have now is a dead flat track with some features built in?
Is there any reason why the astro can't be peeled back and "re-sculpted" under it?
If you need more astro James (at RHR) has dozens of rolls.

power for race control is as simple as a genny that's all batley use and have done for years

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bit harsh Chris,
but i do agree with some of your comments, the cross is very unpredictable, and the banked corner at the end of the straight is not a1,

but as Col has said why cant we just peel back the astro and re-sculpt those bits?

I also think that tabletops/ramps near fences is not a brilliant idea personally,

but that burr/banked corner at the end of the straight at rhr looks awesome, and as Col also said the bomb drop is pretty deep, you could probably get a midget in there without seeing him.

Resculpting the the cross in the middle and altering the quads(somehow) would be the top of my list.

Agree its harsh.
But its also true, and as a member,
im putting my opinion across.
If we are not going to put what we really think,
then things will stay the same.