TLR 22 Vega GEN 3 Build Thread
 

The GEN 3 22 kit is due release very soon now, and with a large amount of interest I thought I'd post a build thread of building my dads kit up for others to follow :)
Please excuse my best pit towel!

How it starts, 22 built in mid config.
http://imageshack.us/a/img835/7109/wdxl.jpg

And the GEN 3 Kit.
http://imageshack.us/a/img692/2262/f89i.jpg

Remove the front end from your TLR chassis.
http://imageshack.us/a/img845/1897/3zbg.jpg

And simply bolt onto the new Vega chassis in exactly the same way as it came off the TLR chassis.
http://imageshack.us/a/img69/9536/1bhu.jpg

Remove the rear end from the TLR chassis and strip it down so you have a arrangement of parts similar to this.
http://imageshack.us/a/img163/228/avk3.jpg

Bolt the front hanger and anti squat shim to the chassis, you need to use the plastic insert from the rear motor 22 as the block is now freestanding and not sandwiched between the gearbox and chassis plate.
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Reverse the rear wishbones (Left on the right, right on the left) and assemble as you normally would, place both of the washers at the front of the wishbone so they are spaced back as far as they go. Secure the rear hanger with two M3 nyloc nuts. Place the ball stud on the hub in rear row for the straightest link.
http://imageshack.us/a/img703/5011/2smq.jpg

Disassemble the 22 gearbox so you have a arrangement of parts like so.
http://imageshack.us/a/img541/1251/4qhw.jpg

Open up the bag containing the new gearbox, you'll find the gearbox prebuilt with all the correct screws in the right place and some diff shims, the shims are included as the 22 gear diff seems to be a little wider than the ball diff. When using the ball diff use one shim either side the remove the side float, when using the gear diff use no shims at all.
http://imageshack.us/a/img832/7016/8ptx.jpg

Open up the new gearbox and place all the 22 parts into it, place the diff in so that the screw is on the opposite side to the spur (The right side looking from the back) Make sure all the bearings are pressed fully home.
http://imageshack.us/a/img849/2893/ogm.jpg

Finish the gearbox assembly, and secure the motor plate, the second layshaft bearing is in the motor plate, you may find a bearing included and all ready installed as they can be a tight fit. Refit the clutch assembly as it came off the 22.
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Install the gearbox onto the chassis.
http://imageshack.us/a/img16/7065/n0mw.jpg

Open up the bag containing the shock tower and the bag containing the wing mounts. Screw the wing mounts to the shock tower with the included screws. Take the shock mounts from the 22 tower and attach to the Vega tower using a 2mm washer between them allowing for clearance between the tower and shock cap. (They're should be plenty of plastic washers left over from the 22 kit, they're is likely to be 2mm under the inside ball stud which are no longer used). Take the ball studs from the 22 tower mount and secure to the new tower using two M3 nyloc nuts.
http://imageshack.us/a/img854/1148/tc14.jpg

Fit the tower to the gearbox, pop on the turnbuckles and screw the shocks to the wishbones and your done!
http://imageshack.us/a/img835/5793/9phd.jpg

The stock 22 is known to have little radio gear room, you'll find LOADS of room in your new GEN 3 chassis, by loads I mean you could fit a full size servo, A large esc and large receiver very very easily.

And a quick two pictures to show the difference in distance between the rear axle and motor.

Stock 22
http://imageshack.us/a/img542/7217/yeo.jpg

GEN 3 22
http://imageshack.us/a/img14/5862/3yr7.jpg

Any questions please ask!

Hi Guys,

These are now available, limited amount ready to send tomorrow :thumbsup:
http://www.teamxtreme.co.uk/store/ve...ion-conversion

Looks great! However isnt this the first 22 conversion? So it would be gen 1 not gen 3, even if it does have the gen 3 brass fitments, it is still the first 22 generation, slightly missleading.

Are the arms flipped to maintain the same wheelbase?
Can u post a fully wired ready to race pic? :)

Gen 3 actually refers to the third generation of Vega Elite, 1st Gen were the original short cars, 2nd Gen were the longer wheelbase cars, raised gearbox and multi cell layout in the case of the 201 and B4.1, Gen 3 is the new range with the "flex" tub with the weight slots and the newer gearbox which is gear diff compatible and screws from the opposite side for easier maintenance.

So yes it may be the first 22, but it is a 3rd generation conversion, so it makes more sense to call it a gen 3.

The arms are flipped to get the motor further back, as you can see in the last pic of the 22 showing the motor to axle position the diff sits really far back in the wishbone, and there is a lot of wishbone in the way off getting the motor back. So to get the motor back and to maintain a sensible amount of driveshaft sweep they needed to be reversed. That way you can bring the diff forward and then the wishbone is no longer in the way :)
The wheelbase is similar to the stock car.

Yup I will do! :)

Hi Will,

nice work with the build guide :thumbsup:

can you give an exact wheelbase measurement of conversion with the rear arms reversed as pictured please.

Have you tried standard wishbone position but with forward mounted hubs? or is the issue with shock mounting position too?

Can rear bumper fishtail still be fitted under rear hanger?

Is there a gear cover on the way for this conversion?

Hi,

The car pictured measures at 289mm on medium wheelbase, I tried all sorts lol, reversing the wishbones is the only way to achieve the required results.
Not that it causes any issues, the TRF and AE conversions both have reversed wishbones and they're very similar arms.

We decided against fitting the rear bumper, the overhang was too large, it would of ended up being torn off!

For now the Kyosho gear cover fits, I tried to get the 22 cover to fit but it weren't having any of it. Were looking at producing a tool to mould our own lexan covers in the near future.

Hope that helps!

Thanks Will :thumbsup:

i was concerned about wheelbase being massively different... agree it doesn't matter which way round wishbones are as long as it doesn't mess up other geometry and cause issues.

a gear cover is a must for me... TLR Kevlar spur gears are very hard and 1 grain of sand can destroy a pinion and potentially cause a DNF

still weighing it up but very tempted :drool:

Are people still using losi slipper and gears?

The AE is far superior and a must, had one on my 22 for sometime

Id be interested to see this in the hands of sum1 like bloomers jus to see a difference? Ive given up with 22 due to all its issues even with previous conversions

The vega defo looks interesting option eager to try one to see for myself, ive kept the losi jus incase future developments happened like this. The vega b4 v2 i run was a eye opening experience to realise how slow i was with losi i had since it came out, im around a second a lap quicker now straight away not even knowing car.

Some more pics!

Optional weight kit installed.
http://imageshack.us/a/img827/1958/3vcp.jpg

A few pictures to show the four allowed cell configurations also using the optional carbon spacers.
Centerline.
http://img708.imageshack.us/img708/3623/edjw.jpg

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Rear.
http://imageshack.us/a/img546/9914/8lyn.jpg

Center.
http://imageshack.us/a/img542/3080/81uc.jpg

Forward.
http://imageshack.us/a/img43/6672/j0qh.jpg

And the electrical install, full size servo, Hobbywing V2 ESC and a large frsky receiver.
http://imageshack.us/a/img703/9236/i12a.jpg

Very Nice

is this the same Tower? http://www.teamxtreme.co.uk/store/ve...01-shock-tower
will the conversion come with a body? if not does any of the mainstream bodies fit? like proline, etc?

feels kinda weird running with no gear cover :(

It is yes, I'll post a pic Monday with the RB5/6 gear cover fitted, can't do it now as its currently on my desk! :)

I ran my Vega 22 for the very first time last night.
The car was built from a brand new TLR22
Which I have found a completely new appreciation of the 22
The kit was great to build with a very strong feel in general with quality and even spares as well as parts that on other cars come as optional. Plus two sets wheels! Great value , strong and cheap spares.
All bolted into my Vega perfectly as any previous vega owner will know what I mean by perfectly.
I was still assembling the cars electrics on route to maritime raceway ( I wasn't driving)
I missed practice and did a steady first qualifier as the car was all new, the tyres were new and the track was new ( lots of new ) the track was probably my favourite yet from maritime.
It was really good!
http://www.maritimeracing.info/
So was my car!
A little dropping/shortening of rear camber links to help with rotation on the high grip carpet and it was sorted.
Tinkered with the newly bedding in ball diff and clutch in the next two quali's
And got a feel for the car.
I qualified p9 B
In the final the car was now getting really good with tyres coming in
In the first half of the race I kept clean consistent fast laps and fought up to 2nd place when to my despair my lipo cutoff cut in !!!
Guess who ( with all this excitement )forgot to charge.
Oh well
I wasn't really too down hearted as I was not expecting this new car to be sorted so quickly. And was more than impressed with its performance, it was awesome Teamed with TLR quality, affordability, strength and availability
I love the TLR shocks and the bladder/diaphragm really makes them work well.
A great partnership for me Vega/TLR,all under my shell
I cannot wait till next weeks racing

Hi scott, as you've already seem on my facebook page my vega22 lives.
Now, I'm running what was on my 22 before the rebuild which is a tsr gear diff, bleeder shocks and vented slipper pads.
Cant wait til tuesday.

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Any more feed back on the 22 by the guys already running them? Does the epxeotech front steering conversion fit on the Vega chassis? It bolts to the standard losi 22 pick up points on a street chassis

The exotek rack does fit but you need to dremel the chassis to fit the alloy bulkhead mounts, took me about 20 mins to do it. Going to run race it for the first time tomorrow so will report back

Ran the 22 Vega at Hinckley and was very happy with it. Very similar to the RB6 vega but with less settings to confuse me, it worked well with the big bore shocks and didn't break. I found it easier to set up, but this is personal and other people will probably prefer AE / Kyosho etc, but it was really good to drive.

Has anyone run their loss 22 vega conversion.yet? Any feed back would be great, I'm waiting to confirm an order if good.