Worlds

[mikeyscott]

Harper Adams, Neo venue?

[trekkerkk]

i agree mikey harper adams would be ideal,
just have to tell tebo he cant win everything lol

trekkker

[millzy]

Isn’t there a rule stating it has be to a new unused track and surface, hence why dirt is always picked/ favoured as the track is created the week before.( look at Harper Adams before the neo for example)

I remember in 05 at the Bury Metro national Jukka and Travis Amezcua came over- they did a test day mid week with the losi team at Bately

http://www.oople.com/rc/photos/losibatley/

and then at the National, Jukka made the 2wd A, but Travis struggled with the Astro, and they are not slow drivers- Travis could not get on with the grip , nice block took to the banter well.

http://www.oople.com/rc/photos/bury180605/

[feniks]

think in general a track needs to be multi surface for a worlds or a euro's .
like bilbao was , only the rosterum in the center and no quads in there ware you cant see the landing or you take the hole meeting to get just over it lol.
or a track like austria last year on the warm up (not the euro one that was over the top and ruend lol)

[DaveG28]

The track wasn't bad, in fact all but the quad was great from my point of view, the quad was maybe just a tiny touch too long (or 2 foot too short if you want to force 3+1). A worlds track should challenge the best but arguably the fact even in the A finals people were crashing a fair bit on it suggests the jump wasn't quite right.

Other than that though loved the track, thought the rostrum position was fine and it was nice and fast and flowing! Great experience and a massive thanks to the club/volunteers and organiser for putting such an event on!

P.S. Loved the banter in some finals too, the Swedes were awesome as well as the usual uk contingent! Can still picture half a bmax driving round now!!

[racingdwarf]

world track in the uk, harper addams costs a bomb and i think can only be set up when the collage in on holliday,

I vote slough 8th track, graet rostrum and they know how to put that dirt track down so it is super smooth!!, it holds together well for 2day rallyx meetings so would last no probs for 10th, and it's not a hugh track.

Oh and as a club they have prooven they can cope with big meetings with ease

[terry.sc]

Originally Posted by feniks

think in general a track needs to be multi surface for a worlds or a euro's .

The rules specify that it must be a hard packed dirt track.

5.1 SURFACE
Pack able rock free dirt - preferably sifted top soil/clay compound with minimum amounts of sand. Surface should be able to be easily broken and repaired to ensure a consistent and wide racing line. Such conditions have shown to yield excellent racing due to width and consistency of the racing line. Additionally qualifying is fairer as the ability to maintain a consistent surface gives all competitors an equal track that can be enjoyed by those in heats before as well as after his own.

If anyone wants to run any other surface they will have to get it voted into the rules first.

[copter]

Here's footage from the official finishing line camera from the last 4WD A final, where Jörn Neumann did overtake Ryan Maifield in the last corner. We had cameras like these setup to film finishing line and starting grid during all finals and footage was available for referees in case there would have been situations that would have required further investigation.



Some people were wondering why we didn't use MYLAPS finishing line camera and reason for this is, that MYLAPS camera doesn't show anything else but the actual finishing line, not situations / actions that have happened at the previous couple corners and this way are important when referees are making decisions.

BR,
Matti Korvenmaa, Chief Timekeeper
IFMAR 2011 Electric Buggy Worlds

[bert digler]

Originally Posted by terry.sc

The rules specify that it must be a hard packed dirt track.



If anyone wants to run any other surface they will have to get it voted into the rules first.

was that written by an american by any chance as dirt isnt consistant it brakes up grip goes up and down and thats all they can win on

[AiR]

Results one more time: (in PDF format)
- 2WD
- 4WD

[TheReferee]

Originally Posted by Welshy40

I know Masami did a lot of practice runs a day before the worlds as well but if these guys are supposed to be the best then no worlds warm ups should be allowed and just dirt tracks is way unfair so should be anything that the country in question decides to set up. So if in the uk we could have the option for astro as these drivers are supposed to be the best then lets see it. The us guys wont come first then.

Nonsense, cavalieri,maifield, tebo, cragg, martin,neumann etc are all world class drivers, the top twenty in the world would still be top twenty irrespective of the surface, because they are great drivers. are you seriously suggesting that the American drivers could not win on grass/astro or any other surface than packed clay. they would adapt and come up with a setup and style that worked, they would adapt quickly and would be on the pace straight away because they are great drivers. assuming your theory is correct why did a non american TQ 2wd and a non american almost snatch the win in 4wd?.

[Si Coe]

As you say, the best are still the best. It would however suit those slightly further down the field with virtually no dirt experience and without the backing of a major team in coming up with an appropriate dirt setup, and penalise the lower ranked US drivers in the same way. Won't change the winner, might alter the D final though!

However, the big issue is the cars. It would favor X6/C4.1 type mid motor cars not the standard B4.1, which considering the major market is the US is not what the big brands want. AE, Losi etc want the car they run at the worlds to be relevant to their main customers.

[F1END]

Originally Posted by TheReferee

Nonsense, cavalieri,maifield, tebo, cragg, martin,neumann etc are all world class drivers, the top twenty in the world would still be top twenty irrespective of the surface, because they are great drivers. are you seriously suggesting that the American drivers could not win on grass/astro or any other surface than packed clay. they would adapt and come up with a setup and style that worked, they would adapt quickly and would be on the pace straight away because they are great drivers. assuming your theory is correct why did a non american TQ 2wd and a non american almost snatch the win in 4wd?.

Are you seriously suggesting that driving on clay week in week out, instead of astroturf or grass, for over 6 months doesn't give an advantage at all to foreign drivers?

I'm not for a minute suggesting that the top 20 drivers wouldn't still be the top 20 drivers on astroturf, just that the order of that top 20 might be a little different.

Experience and practice counts for a lot at that level, knowing exactly how a car will handle in any conditions. I'm just not sure the British drivers have enough practice on dirt.

I heard a quote from Lee Martin saying he couldn't quite get the set-up right for his 511. If he had been driving on clay all year, he'd have had it pretty much right when he turned up there.

Why is it we don't have any dirt tracks here? It's not like we're the only country in the world that has rain.

[Richard Lowe]

It's not the surface IMO, it's the jumps mainly the US guys are instantly comfortable on.

The quad in 4wd was easily the biggest jump I've ever raced 10th on, and landing in an area 2-3 feet long after a >6 foot high, >20 foot long jump is not something you learn to do overnight!

[Neil Skull]

Originally Posted by copter

Here's footage from the official finishing line camera from the last 4WD A final, where Jörn Neumann did overtake Ryan Maifield in the last corner. We had cameras like these setup to film finishing line and starting grid during all finals and footage was available for referees in case there would have been situations that would have required further investigation.



Some people were wondering why we didn't use MYLAPS finishing line camera and reason for this is, that MYLAPS camera doesn't show anything else but the actual finishing line, not situations / actions that have happened at the previous couple corners and this way are important when referees are making decisions.

BR,
Matti Korvenmaa, Chief Timekeeper
IFMAR 2011 Electric Buggy Worlds

Thats a great video,

Nice to see from that angle thanks for posting. I hope Mayfield does not study that too many times over and over lol

[chuckie stella]

Originally Posted by Richard Lowe

Jimmy and Vicky are working on it, there was some recovering to do after Sunday night.....

We spent all day Monday getting home, not getting back to oOple HQ until after 1am, don't worry it's on the way

Should have been sensible like me and gone to bed early! Don't understand why people have to drink so much!!

[SlowOne]

What's all this about the Americans having an advantage on dirt tracks? We used to have dirt tracks, back in the day - I remember Taunton being one of the best. And how many WCs did we win? That'd be none then! Only since we had almost none has Neil Cragg bagged the top step of the podium - go figure.

If you go to a WC, are you seriously expecting the track to be as easy as the local clubbie? And if it were, do you think the result would be any different? WCs are big-boys school, so if you go, expect the track to be hard. I went several times, did the best I could, and came home realising that there are not may people who get to be able to say they are the 88th best person in the World at their hobby! For us mere mortals, that's what a WC is about.

Cavalieri has now won 4 EC Off-Road WCs. The only person to have won more is Hirosaka-san. Couldn't we all be big enough to admit that, whatever his nationality or wherever he raced at any time in his RC career, the guy is just plain good? At this rate, who'd like to bet that he won't pass Hirosaka-san's total of seven titles?

Many, many thanks to Jimmy, Mrs O and the crew who wrote the reports. They are the best, most informative on the 'net. Take a bow people, you deserve it.

[racingdwarf]

Dirt is the home of RC, we should have more dirt in the uk, yes i admit our weather is hit and miss, astro has it's place, but a great dirt track on the other side of the rostrum to the astro track at some venues would be fantastic.

sadly in my opinion, weather was not what brought the astro track to racing....back in the day late 80's 10th was huge, and some big money started to rioll back then qualifing was FTD and dirt/grass tracks were inconsistent, could change from round to round and yes then the weather, so along came astro consistent from start to finish....then every one buggered off to touring cars

rules should not change, worlds =dirt and we did have some top dirt tracks

[Dudders]

Although Surrey and Hants is grass, it soon turns to dirt!, however not compacted dirt

[racingdwarf]

yes I should add, that you do need a bit of clay in the soil, there are a few parts of uk that will have trouble with dirt, here in norfolk our soil is very sandy and loose, hard to compact and can be very dusty. BUT this said what I call the hard core part of the uk for racing, south east,and around M1 up to burmingham etc has quite good clay type soil