just wondered cougar sv who is and what.

[DCM]

Originally Posted by DMS Racing

Guys, they do have to get it down to he "S1" price somehow though.... Just changing Carbon to S1 and removing some of the fancy diff bits is never going to save them the £80 differance that there is between the two specs.

The S1 is supposed to be the "budget man's" car (or as I think the Schumcher press release read) for the "racers with an eye on cost". Just because the shocks are not big bore and just becuse they are not threaded does NOT make then bad! For most club racers they will be MORE than adequate!!!

On the cheaper B-Max from Yokomo the cheap kit comes with plastic shocks to save money (just thank god that Schuey did not make them plastic too, there would be uproar!! LOL)

For once, I mostly agree, I also think that Schumacher know the Pro kit will sell more, and when you actually add up the cost difference, as don't forget, although Big Bores cost £80 (apparently), the kit shocks also cost, I don't expect to see Titanium turnbuckles either, no Carbon will save lots too.

[purplenut]

How bloody cheep if more than me i will throw all toys out of pram lol

[Darren Boyle]

Originally Posted by DCM

For once, I mostly agree

Wow! LOL

[DCM]

I did say mostly, can't go breaking tradition!!

[Darren Boyle]

Originally Posted by purplenut

How bloody cheep if more than me i will throw all toys out of pram lol

It will be VERY interesting to see if all of the "cheap" shops get the stock they are hoping for when it is released......

[Darren Boyle]

Originally Posted by DCM

I did say mostly, can't go breaking tradition!!

If the forum wasnt full of characters with there own opinion it would be a very dull place indeed......

I have all the time in the world for a person with their own piece of mind as long as their discussion, views and points are well constructed, thought out and I guess in a readable language, unlike some of the random text speak and poor punctuation we see all too often on here nowadays.......

[purplenut]

I take it thats not at me?.

[Darren Boyle]

No not at all, aimed at people "past" more than anything who seem to have been escorted out of the back door by Jimmy never to return

There are still a few around though and lots of silly threads full of bickering too much too though ....

[purplenut]

Originally Posted by DMS Racing

No not at all, aimed at people "past" more than anything who seem to have been escorted out of the back door by Jimmy never to return

There are still a few around though and lots of silly threads full of bickering too much too though ....

I thought as much

[ian h]

K111 CF pro all the way for me, may consider an sx2 as well!!!!!!!

[8rad]

Guys, they do have to get it down to he "S1" price somehow though.... Just changing Carbon to S1 and removing some of the fancy diff bits is never going to save them the £80 differance that there is between the two specs.

The S1 is supposed to be the "budget man's" car (or as I think the Schumcher press release read) for the "racers with an eye on cost". Just because the shocks are not big bore and just becuse they are not threaded does NOT make then bad! For most club racers they will be MORE than adequate!!!

Point taken DMS. Correct me if I am wrong but does the CAT S1 not come with the same shocks as CAT SX? The fact remains that those shocks were designed twenty years ago. There is virtually no difference between those and the ones on my JRX2. It would have been easy for Schumacher to cut costs without eliminating one of the most appealing aspects of the Cougar SV, THE WICKED COOL SHOCKS! For example, they could have included the shocks with steel shafts instead of Ti and used plastic shock caps in place of the shiny purple bits. There are lots of other places they could have cut costs.

I am just bitter because I was going to buy the S1 and now I am not so sure.

[DCM]

The only difference really, between the shocks on a B2 and a B4, is that the B4 ones are threaded... now, the B2 is going back some...... It would of been nice to of seen them as plain big bore ones, not threaded, but hey, for the most of us, really, what are you wanting the big bores for, as I am sure that it, in the end, won't change my finishing position in my racing!!

[pro4nut]

Originally Posted by 8rad

Point taken DMS. Correct me if I am wrong but does the CAT S1 not come with the same shocks as CAT SX? The fact remains that those shocks were designed twenty years ago. There is virtually no difference between those and the ones on my JRX2. It would have been easy for Schumacher to cut costs without eliminating one of the most appealing aspects of the Cougar SV, THE WICKED COOL SHOCKS! For example, they could have included the shocks with steel shafts instead of Ti and used plastic shock caps in place of the shiny purple bits. There are lots of other places they could have cut costs.

I am just bitter because I was going to buy the S1 and now I am not so sure.

But plastics will only save money if they have the moulds already. Shock parts as you mention would have added a production cost not reduced it, if you look at the spring cups they are the same as the sx?
Consider that plastic parts only become cost effective once a volume target is met. This is why lots of the cars out there have common components from older models in a manufacturers range.

I don't believe any real pictures of the s1 have appeared yet, so the actual appearance of the shocks is only speculation.

[mes]

In the German forums, a team driver mentioned the "old" shocks; for me it sounds to be the ones I had on my Cougar 2.

Not taking into account the higher production costs, I'd prefer threaded plastic shocks over unthreaded metal ones.
If the S1 featured the CAT SX shocks, Schumacher would probably less CF kits, but more Cougar SVs in total...

Anyway, I'm set on getting an SV with threaded shocks!

[Cooper]

you don't HAVE to use (old) schumacher shocks :-)

Tamiya, losi, anything you've got lying around from your previous 2wd.

[Darren Boyle]

Originally Posted by pro4nut

But plastics will only save money if they have the moulds already. Shock parts as you mention would have added a production cost not reduced it, if you look at the spring cups they are the same as the sx?
Consider that plastic parts only become cost effective once a volume target is met. This is why lots of the cars out there have common components from older models in a manufacturers range.

I don't believe any real pictures of the s1 have appeared yet, so the actual appearance of the shocks is only speculation.

What Wayne says is spot on, any "alternative spec" part (including plastic shocks) would ONLY be chaeper of thery already have it tooled up from previuos use, if it needed a new tool making it would not be any cheper for them.

Schumacher have confirmed to those of us who have spoke to them that the S1 will use the "old" style shocks that are used on current models like their nitro recreational vehicles

[mark christopher]

Originally Posted by pro4nut

the actual appearance of the shocks is only speculation.

not true

check the parts listing for the spare for couger sv, then read darrens post above

http://www.racing-cars.com/sp/catego...Absorbers.html

[eichkay]

Ive ordered the Pro CF version in kit version of course...

just wondering what springs come with the bigbores and what else to order as spares..

[purplenut]

Originally Posted by eichkay

Ive ordered the Pro CF version in kit version of course...

just wondering what springs come with the bigbores and what else to order as spares..

Iam glad i ordered the kit one now as it sounds like made up versions have not been to good?.
Is it mid march yet.

[8rad]

But plastics will only save money if they have the moulds already. Shock parts as you mention would have added a production cost not reduced it, if you look at the spring cups they are the same as the sx?
Consider that plastic parts only become cost effective once a volume target is met. This is why lots of the cars out there have common components from older models in a manufacturers range.

By that logic how would any manufacturer be able to produce new kits with 90% new parts and expect to turn a profit? Besides, with the CAT SX2(big bore shocks) replacing the SX on store shelves it would have been cost effective to put the SX threaded shocks on the Cougar S1 because the tooling is already in place. It really does not matter to me because I have a spare set of SX threaded shocks I can use if I choose to get the S1.

I am just being devils advocate because I am enjoying this discussion.