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Another point to note about the 3 visit/race rule is it only applies to 'NEW' racers who want try the sport. It does not apply to drivers returning to the sport, having previously been a brca member. They must renew their membership before racing.
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Seeing that your in Bourne End, assuming that's the one in Bucks, we at Wycombe Micro Buggy club (mini 8s, charisma gtbs and Schumacher embs) actively encourage every single age.
A few people from this thread know me and have been to the club I run. I doubt any of them have anything bad to say. Our winter series is starting in October and is one Saturday morning a month. Last year we had 9 jnrs and 30 snrs. That's nearly a 1/4 of the entry being under 16. A good thing about micros is there cheap, fast and extremely robust
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Anyway The above folk all have it right - it's '3 visits' to a club, to try the sport. - or any other event for that matter, it also works for public "Have a Go's" too, right up to the large events (at major public Venue's) we take the demo fleets to. Anybody has any queries you can always drop me a note treasurer@brca.org" The concern is that someone who said authoritatively that the guy's lad couldn't race did not in fact know the BRCA rules. The poster's above cannot have it both ways - excluding the kid for perceived risk due to not having insurance because it is a BRCA rule when in fact the rule is quite clear and the question should have been to ascertain if the kid had raced before. Then Jim comes along and says "if you have a question ask me" and still people post things that are speculation! No one can remember all the Rules to the letter. As an official in a club, BRCA Section and IFMAR Electric Section Chairman, I never could. I always carried a rule book with me and when queries arose referred to it. Not only does that help to ensure that I got it right, but it makes explanations to questioners much easier - refer to the Rulebook and explain the situation. It worked for me every time. We need club officials and volunteers, they are the life blood of our sport. I don't mean this to be a criticism of the guy here. It is up to the rest of us to stop posting all this speculation and shouts for naming and shaming. See the post above from the young guy who gave up helping - we are part of that. I've got me coat, I suggest we all do that!
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I should point out there is no such thing as a '3 race rule' anyway. It is a code of practice rather than a 'rule' and as such does not have to be followed. Obviously the risk of not following it is that this can invalidate insurance in the event of an accident so you are taking a big chance if you don't.
Likewise clubs can choose to apply it or not - I know some clubs (especially nitro ones) insist No BRCA no race even for new drivers. Ultimately its down to the person in charge to decide because they are responsible if anything goes wrong. Whilst in this case the race director was being excessively cautious there are sound reasons behind the decision. The challenge is to strike a reasonable balance between safety and accessibility.
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 Just one issue the more money than sense doesn't apply to me. I have non of either!  [/QUOTE]http://www.colchestermodelcarclub.com/ A very friendly welcoming atmosphere and everyone helps everyone. For example this Sunday I was suffering with servo issues due to a faulty plug. one of the other members lent me one of his spares  very kind. Even more so when you consider I was racing against him and it was a club points race
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The three race rule only applies, to people who have entered the meeting...
Again, this topic is going way off thread, basically if this young lad would have had an accident then this thread would have been totally different. And the person(s) involved in all this would have been branded as not doing their job properly. I believe safety is not something that should be compromised. There are so many issues other than the ones, that have been mentioned on here. What if the young lad fell over on the rostrum, or even fell off the rostrum. These things aren't even worth thinking about. You wouldn't let your child drive a real car without insurance, so why take a risk when it comes to RC Cars. OK they aren't as big, or potentially dangerous, but I have seen what they can do to an adult when hit in the ankle, let alone a five year old. Personally I wouldn't want to go to a club that compromised the rules when it comes to safety! Paul
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The people entered in the meeting as i understand it arent insured anyway including the young lad. Its 3rd party bystanders the insurance covers you for. There fore the confines of a track is exactly the right place for a youngster under supervision to gain experience as its almost impossible to hit a bystander imo. There has obviously been a misunderstanding of the rules but surely getting people to have a go is paramounount to the survival of the hobby.
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Sorry Crewie, it doesn't just cover the third party, (individual)it covers the club, as well. So anything happens to someone whilst racing, whether it be falling off the rostrum, or anything else, if they decide to sue...
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Except if you are marshaling someones car. Thats the one time it doesn't cover you.
Pity cos its the time you are most likely to get hit, but I can understand the reasons for it.
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Couldn't find my coat...!
Col, please put this thread out of its misery before the people who know little and post lots confuse the hell out of everyone. Close it with Jim's post and the extract from the Handbook. Guys - when in doubt read the Rules and stop typing wrong information and speculation. Jim made the offer together with his e-mail address for contacting him - "if you have any questions, ask me [Jim]." For everyone else, please do just that and ignore the posts on here telling you what people think is involved with BRCA Insurance. Ask Jim to tell you what is involved... for a fact. Rant over.
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Well I'm glad to say my son and I had the exact opposite experience to the OP on Sunday. I took my 5yr old with me to my local club and asked if he could drive around during practice and between races if we had a suitable gap. The race director gladly said yes and turned down my offer to pay for him.
During the day a number of members including the race director said a few words of encouragement to my son and he thoroughly enjoyed himself. I now intend to give him more practice (mostly outside club meets) and then try him racing next Summer - aged 6. It probably helps that he isn't a full-throttle kid, but nobody knew that until they have him a go. Longer term, not only will the club gain a new member, but they'll make it easier for me to integrate my hobby into my family life - ergo, I'll stay around too.
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To Elaborate - As it's obvious that people still haven't read the rule book judging by a few posts above... On average it's 2 or 3 'incidents' a year that result in heaps of paperwork for all involved, some of these will result in a payment from our insurers, some not. Generally where a claim has proper substance to it, the insurers pay, however we do get as many "try it on's" as pukka 'real' cases - unfortunatly the former have to be gone through, at length, too. There have been a couple of claims over the decades that would have made the above look like small change - and would have drastically changed the sport too - had they been succesful / reasonable. This last bit is where the Insurance Co really earns their keep, the claims made all make 'allegations of negligence' (That's how P.L. cover works) IF some of these allegations were found to have substance it could force changes to how the sport operates. On one or two occasions there have been claims made that, had they been succesfull, could have seen the sport - as we know it - cease to exist or be so radically altered that you wouldn't want to do it. As an example - a simple one:- The last claim from a 'No Win No Fee' company involved a member of the public having a fall from a clubs rostrum (not on a race day - they we're closed at the time - nobody from the club present and the claimant was both larking about and had to break a local bylaw to be on it) The last four bits are nowadays basically irrelevant - still the clubs problem. So There were numerous allegations of negligence, and each one was succesfully defended - but it takes time, resources and money to do this. Had this claim been succesfull it probably would have had instant implications for any club in the country with a permanent rostrum - i.e. most of them wouldn't have been able to exist.. Public Liability cover is not simply 'Make a claim and somebody pays' It is possibly easiest to explain it as:- An 'Allegation of Neglignce' that, if proved, you are insured against. This is why it's hard to give catagoric 'what if' answers to scenarios, as you are then trying to predict what Allegations are going to come in - and you honestly wouldn't believe what I've seen over the years.. However what our policy does do is:- Work. It's kept us all racing for the last 30odd years, there have been some changes to the General Rules to reflect some of the succesful Allegations, and the procedures at events have been tweked to to ensure we don't drop the ball too. It's defended hundreds of members in that time and kept the sport viable to officiate in at all levels (Club especially) I've said it before and I'll say it again - if you run any event for people and the organisers / participants don't have P.L. cover in place then you must be stark staring bonkers. Everybody reading this will know somebody who's won a tenner (£25 now?) on the lottery - we'll the odds are shorter that your club will be sorting through some Insurance Claim paperwork with me at some point in the next 12 months  So back to my earlier post.. If in doubt read the handbook and the article on insurance in it, or simply ASK - make certain you're 100% confident before posting on the web too, as it saves me typing to correct folk
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Reading the above, makes you understand the officials answer, granted he could have explained it to the agreeved a little better
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