'Offical' Carbon Dave

[Paulnuneaton]

Thanks Richard

[Gazza]

So which rules we running to now then


MARDAVE V12 BRCA CIRCUIT RULES
2010 / 2011
V12 BRCA Mardave Circuit Rules
General Rules and Regulations 2011/12. These General Rules for Year

V12 Circuit Construction Rules

CHASSIS AND COMPONENTS

1. Cars to be standard 1/12th scale Mardave V12 chassis and suspension.

No composite chassis allowed.. . PMSL

2. Ball races allowed on Front & Rear axle. Rear axle and spur gear either
32dp or 48dp . Diffs are allowed.

[TOMO WEF]

Erm grp is a composite!

[Paulnuneaton]

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[TOMO WEF]

Yep the car of gazza's I drove was great. It was much punchier and quicker than my own 13.5 1s car, not sure what speedo / motor combo it was but it flew.

The car was definitely better than my own in the corners. However there was an issue going into the fast hairpin where it would almost handbrake it's way round the bend either due to the chassis sides catching the floor under heavy load or the speedo neutral brakes being set too high. (Gazza later fitted harder rear springs to control the excessive lateral movement however I didn't drive it after this).

Most importantly though I am yet to drive the Mardave grp or carbon car so cannot comment as to which one I think is best or which is faster.

I do commend anyone who has a passion and works to make something new but there is such a thing as right place right timing with everything.
So in short we all love daves and we should just all remember that and get as many guys trackside as possible and sort the problems out after if there is any.
Just my view guys.

[SlowOne]

Paul,thank you for your posts, they are most informative. Just a couple of points...

12th have had the same design for over 25 years - including a carbon chassis. The materials might have changed a bit in some parts (Ti rods, etc.) but otherwise the carbon 12L from 1987 on my shelf is the same as the 2012 RC12R5.1 I will be running. So, just what is the problem with a class that doesn't change?

Based on the attitude and approach in your posts, I know now which kit to buy if I want to race this class. Thanks for the information.

[Paulnuneaton]

Glad to be of help:thumb sup:

[Paulnuneaton]

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[Aaron w]

So, what chassis won today?

[Karl Dransfield]

Originally Posted by Aaron w

So, what chassis won today?

1st - new mardave carbon chassis
2nd - mardave ce chassis
3rd - mardave alloy chassis

[Paulnuneaton]

Wrong karl 2nd place went to james with a copy of our wings on it you seem to have forgot that mate!!!!!!!

[Aaron w]

You win Karl? You got a mardave chassis?

[Karl Dransfield]

Originally Posted by Paulnuneaton

Wrong karl 2nd place went to james with a copy of our wings on it you seem to have forgot that mate!!!!!!!

That was on his other car Paul. He ran the standard ce chassis after the 1st quali. However I tried the LB racing under tray which is a similar concept to the p2 in practice and it produced significantly more rear downforce. The only problem was it scuffing on the ground. But this will be sorted

[Karl Dransfield]

Originally Posted by Aaron w

You win Karl? You got a mardave chassis?

Yeah I was running the new carbon chassis. Much stiffer than the fibreglass one. The car is much more predictable and changes direction quicker. The carbon chassis is definitely the way to go.

[Aaron w]

I'm waiting for one from Chris. I ran the fibre glass one on Friday. Had loads of steering. Just a bit lazy in a fast chicane. Need the cf one.

[Gazza]

Yes was a good day even tho I was down on power and still not sure why my car was so slow i cant put my finger on it it started off ok and as the day went on it got slower and slower an for the life of me I have no Idea why

I was upset as it was flying the last two meetings and today I could not keep up with James no matter what I did the chassis was superb cant fault it . . .so its down to 3 things now

1 Motor
2 ESC
3 Lipo
Some testing on tuesday me thinks I have to find out whay other wise Tamwoth is out for me

But dont go carbon go GRP. . which ever chassis you go fo Carbon is way to much for what it is and wont last long with some Dave drivers
Also there was no differance in the Carbon chassis as it was still on pace with James's Mardave Ce GRP standard one save ya money go GRP

Yes you all seem to know what the wings do know
I can bet there will be a few more poping up soon even Karl likes the idea as it sucks the car down

[Paulnuneaton]

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[Gazza]

Yes its a shame mine was down on power I was so gutted other wise would have been good fun . . but hey thats racing

Also on a good note . . .

Two Phone calls this morning with people wanting to make our Wing Chassis . . .

well Ill keep you all posted

[Paulnuneaton]

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[Karl Dransfield]

Originally Posted by Gazza

But dont go carbon go GRP. . which ever chassis you go fo Carbon is way to much for what it is and wont last long with some Dave drivers

GRP has far too much flex.

Originally Posted by Gazza

Also there was no differance in the Carbon chassis as it was still on pace with James's Mardave Ce GRP standard one save ya money go GRP

the carbon one was 4/10ths of a second faster per lap

Originally Posted by Gazza

I can bet there will be a few more poping up soon even Karl likes the idea as it sucks the car down

But yeah the LB racing undertray (wings) did yield more downforce.