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Old 24-01-2010
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To answer stu's question, and anybody feel free to correct me here, it was a long time ago, the current format was introduced to deal with large numbers. First year or so i think we did run finals, but the numbers at boughton meant that the evenings just got too late. That is why it would seem questionable to introduce finals just as the numbers are increasing.....

Have we really been running this format for 20 years? Personally i think it is a great club format, but i realise that the more professional and experienced racers are used to finals at event racing, and that other clubs do run finals mid week..... But our system does allow for three attempts at a weekly score, not just a single bite of the apple..... there are pro's and con's here...

When we have speeded the evenings up as much as possible, we will know where we are time wise, and maybe if numbers drop off we could start to look more closely at introducing finals?

I agree with Dave, gone 11:00 is just too late, we have to pack up and get home..... personally i think it would be better to aim for a half 10 finish at the latest, but that it just my opinion.
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People lets not get lost in translation here please, my origional question was and how we could gain time in booking in and thankyou for your suggestions. PLease don't think the commity of FORCC do not take this seriously because trust me we do and many hours are spent discussing the running of the evening/club.

This is my personal take on a few questions that have been posed.

Alot has been said regards people that can only race fortnightly or every once in a while not being graded into the correct heat. We seem to be talking alot about A final drivers here.

Well lets use Jeff Fox as an example he works shift work and can only race with us once a fortnight but his commitment is unquestionable,ie. he loves his racing and no way would it be right for me to put him into the lowest heat each week that he can race. I place him using my experience where i feel is correct and this the same for each and every one of my drivers at this club.

Now i know your going to come back at me and say why does that not work the same for an A finalist driver, well my take on this is the way we run the evening at the moment is as stu said what you are racing for is next week's position so how do i displace 7th in the A for somebody coming back after a missed week. If we do change the format of how the evening is run then this may be irelavent but as it stands at the moment this is how it works. I take my job as booking in VERY VERY seriously please trust me on this one and i suppose you could say in a way it's down to Alan's skill of knowing all of his drivers and their ability where you will race after a missed week.

Hope this helps a bit guys, and please keep your comments coming as the FORCC commity is listening, but please remember this is a club for all that runs for all!

Kind regards, Alan

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I agree with the point Alan made regarding Jeff.

I used to race Mardave at another club with Garry, we were both A final drivers. But Garry could only race once every fortnight.

He was always put in the bottom heat. This meant that he did not enjoy his racing and stopped going and it meant I could only race against him in the final.

Keep up the good work Alan, I myself have always been happy of what heat i`ve been put in.
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A 7.30 start and 10.30 finish sounds good. The past few weeks have been late ones, not been get home until just before midnight. then up at 6am for work.. run on auto pilot doe most of Thursday morning.

Its a great problem/issue to have, I beat not many clubs have to worry about having too many racers.. I like Mutant's idea of sorting out the timings first then seeing what time we have for finals etc.
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I agree with the point Alan made regarding Jeff.

I used to race Mardave at another club with Garry, we were both A final drivers. But Garry could only race once every fortnight.

He was always put in the bottom heat. This meant that he did not enjoy his racing and stopped going and it meant I could only race against him in the final.

Keep up the good work Alan, I myself have always been happy of what heat i`ve been put in.
thanks dude...and now i dont race at all!
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We miss you Garry, hope you can join us again in the future.....
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Had a thought as most people have pc's and internet could we pre book by Tuesday night online for the Wednesday you then are in the computer for Wednesday as you arrive throught the door you pay your wonger job done.
no practise ,first heat 19.30 19.45 latest 2min in between heats, relief marshalling, and a committe call as to time and numbers for 4 rounds 5min racing. my maths makes that 8 heats = 56 min per round = 3h 44min over less clearing up by 23.15 so is this to LATE!
3 rounds 5min = 2h 48 min = 22.18
should be no need for less than 5min racing. in an emergency only text Alan after Tue night only if unable to make it.
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ok the 3Q and 1F may be streching the time people wanna be out till and i do agree it is nice to be home in good time. as of heat listing why does the heat listing need to be done from previouse weeks results apart from thats hows its always been done think about it another way if you consitanly make heat 3 for example (steping away from the top heat 7) your grading will present you in heat 3 with all the other drivers who are also in a simular grading and if you miss a week or two like jeff you would be seeded in the correct heat of simular ability to you so you would still be RACING againts the correct people.

and back on to alans point time booking in like mark and i said if you booked straight into the pc by a set time grading system was introduced the computer system will arrange heats for you thus saving a lot of time inputing the info in manualy so we could start earlier.

hows about going back to 4min racing that would give us more time to run finals.

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i just done a quick calculation correct me if im wrong

8 heats @ 4 mins with 2 mins gap x 3 rounds + 8 finals @ 4mins with 2 mins gap makes 3hrs 12 mins 7:30 start takes us to 10:42 finish + ten mins between rounds and finals take it to 10:52.

this is based on a full 8 heats and a full 8 finals taking away a Q round and a Final 7 heats you would save 30mins.

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i just done a quick calculation correct me if im wrong

8 heats @ 4 mins with 2 mins gap x 3 rounds + 8 finals @ 4mins with 2 mins gap makes 3hrs 12 mins 7:30 start takes us to 10:42 finish + ten mins between rounds and finals take it to 10:52.

this is based on a full 8 heats and a full 8 finals taking away a Q round and a Final 7 heats you would save 30mins.

just a sujestion

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Old 25-01-2010
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loving the idea of finals if we could fit them in would kind of top the evening off
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Morning Chaps! I thought i'd whack a note on here today. Just to say that once again, last night running the evening to the clock worked really well i thought! I know it was mainly due to the high number of drivers but i think we should run it all the time. Sorry i didnt stay to help clear up... i was feeling as rough as elephants testicles last night.
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How do you know how rough an elephants testicle is Martin? Mind you - you did look a bit pasty last night - hope you feel better soon.

59 drivers last night, so we were having it "even larger" than the week before! On top of that there were a couple of regulars missing and Alan has taken calls from people wishing to come and see what we do, so it's probably going to get even busier.

A couple of things I would like to request though chaps:

1. As much as that pitting space is at a premium, please can we try and keep the pitting area tidy and make best use of the space we have? Bags under tables to reduce any trip hazard, and if you have to use an extension lead PLEASE tape it down securely. We may have to look at pitting on the stage if we run out of room. Also if you have a pit table it may be wise to start bringing it - this also frees up the odd table for Crewie to incorporate into the track........

2. With the increase in numbers, invariably we're finishing later (still on time though). We all want to get away swiftly once racing is over, so can I remind EVERYONE that it has always been the courteous request of the FORCC "committee" that the last 2 heats stay and pack the track away. It always ends up with the same few doing it week in, week out, regardless of which heat they are in. And in some cases (Tony G), they're not racing at all and still help! So please, everyone do your share. There's between 14 - 16 people in the last heats and if everyone helps, it's literally minutes to put it all away and we can ALL get home at a decent time. No-one should consider themselves "above" helping out.

Thanks for listening - don't groan too loudly at the mention of packing away............
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Good call on point 2 mate, right behind you on that one.


You mentioned that i had a call regards new people coming along to the club, well i did but since wendesday i have recived 2 more calls from people wanting to come along and have a look, must say have never known anythink like this in my time at the club ie 25 years. Not sure if this is all over the land or just at FORCC but the intrest in our great sport at the moment is unbelievable and our little old hall is bursting at the mo and long may it be.

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Always said kids would get fed up with playing football and come along and join a club that offers somethink completley different.
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Batten down the hatches my friends - the walls will be bulging soon.

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Must admit the bit that makes me feel good at the mo is the amount of kids at the club, the ones that have been there a long time but also all these new ones we have turning up over the last few months, some think we should as a club be proud of and i hope this is the same across the country at all the other great clubs out there.
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Yes, Alan we should be proud of the youngsters we have and do everything possible to help them on their way to beating us oldies.
We have some decisions to make to deal with the sheer volume of drivers, but as far as pitting, is there easy access to electrical sockets on the stage and reasonable lighting?
If so, I would be happy to migrate from my current position, which regularly gets bad air from the carefree dumpers in the gents!

Andy

ps. last weds, another bad week for me, but after sheering 2 diff bolts overtightening, realised when I got home that the small bevel gear on the driveshaft had worn and slipping its spline pin, so basically for last 2 weeks been struggling with virtual 2wd!! My excuse anyway.

pps. Who noticed my slip over when marshalling. £500 I believe if captured on video! Meerkat missed it, so 'stop looking at Andy Bate!'
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can i do a nelson munts laugh at both points there andy!
shh,keep to yourself but ive got my old job back...racings back on but keep it to yourself ok?
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Gary,

Your camaraderie has been missed, look forward to seeing you again and congratulations on the job front.
I shall keep the good news to myself!

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