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Question Clubman Class ESC List

Perhaps this could be adopted by the RCCAOI?

http://www.brca.org/sites/default/fi...9;s%202011.pdf
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Don't see why not.
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It would certainly make things clearer
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It makes life a lot easier knowing there is no timing on an ESC just by looking at the LEDs.
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Just spent the last hour trying to change settings on my Hobbeywing esc with the program box to set it in "blinky" mode with no luck....finally the penny has dropped that I need to download the HW/speed passion 508 software....is this easy to do?
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Yes,Where are you located?
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Just spent the last hour trying to change settings on my Hobbeywing esc with the program box to set it in "blinky" mode with no luck....finally the penny has dropped that I need to download the HW/speed passion 508 software....is this easy to do?
Get on the Hobbywing site, download the app, plug the program box into the computer with the car attached and follow the instructions, iirc.


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It's a good starting point, but I see some missing ESCs - I for example have v1 (or v1.1) Xerun and Speedpassion 120A escs (basically twin units, the same program box works on both), which have no dynamic timing capability.

There are also no Nosram speedos (it would be handy if there was a table somewhere showing what their LRP twins are). No Fusion Exceed sets (they'd be clubman legal) either.

I'd see no harm in allowing any ESC as long as there's no sensor wire, which would cover folks with RTR kits.
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Hi Lads,

Totally agree, I think it's a good idea.

The likes of a Cirtix Stock Club makes things very simple, no timing settings & not programable.

Once you have an ESC that has the ability to make changes things start getting complicated!!

Is it going too far to specify a certain model of 10.5 motor?

This would focus the clubman championship on driving ability only, which is the way it should be.
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Yes,Where are you located?
Ray Power.....guy with the Vega 4.1

I have the hobbeywing USB link on pc....and it finds the software update that includes the 508 but when I click download it says "update failed"
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Bring it over to me on Sunday in the Naul and I will sort it for ya.Unless you are racing tomorrow in fivemiletown as I will be there also.
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Bring it over to me on Sunday in the Naul and I will sort it for ya.Unless you are racing tomorrow in fivemiletown as I will be there also.
Not racing tomorrow but will be in the Naul on Sunday.......thanks a lot
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Bring it over to me on Sunday in the Naul and I will sort it for ya.Unless you are racing tomorrow in fivemiletown as I will be there also.
Success!
I downloaded the speedpassion USB link and had no problems uploading the 508 software......thanks for offer of help though
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Is it going too far to specify a certain model of 10.5 motor?

This would focus the clubman championship on driving ability only, which is the way it should be.

There is!

http://www.brca.org/sites/default/fi...012A%20pdf.pdf
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Perhaps this could be adopted by the RCCAOI?

http://www.brca.org/sites/default/fi...9;s%202011.pdf
I was wonder guys as I have some experience with the lrp sxx v2 and its setup. If what I am looking at is right and according to the brca setup list blinky mode is done by setting mode 3 set to 0. But what this does is turns of timing boost, what is not covered is timing advancement which is mode 4 on a sxx. Currently in clubman there should be no boost and no advance timing, only motor advancing is allowed. Am I to assume that what people want is to change to brca and allow timing advancement on the speedo and motor now? Or am I reading this wrong.
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Perhaps this could be adopted by the RCCAOI?

http://www.brca.org/sites/default/fi...9;s%202011.pdf
I was wonder guys as I have some experience with the lrp sxx v2 and its setup. If what I am looking at is right and according to the brca setup list blinky mode is done by setting mode 3 set to 0. But what this does is turns off the timing boost but what is not covered is timing advancement which is mode 4 on a sxx. Currently in clubman there should be no boost and no advance timing, only motor advancing is allowed. Am I to assume that what people want is to change to brca and allow timing advancement on the speedo and motor now? Or am I reading this wrong.
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I see no distinction between adjusting static timing in the esc or motor. The end result is the same - the absolute kv of the motor increases, and efficiency goes down. I presume some torque is lost, but the differences would be no more than gearing up or down a bit - as in gearing, the effect is constant throughout the rpm range. It's only really a problem in classes with restricted gearing options, like Minis. Dynamic timing is a whole other matter, giving mod performance with a stock motor, and puts a premium on escs and their firmware - an arms race, as there is in touring cars.
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That rules Alan and me out so as the esc we use are too old and not on the list ?????
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Ivan your speedo is not listed because of the fact it is so old. There is no boost feature so no reason to list it. The list is approved esc whos boost setup can be turned off and set to run to the stock brca rules. I dont believe it rules out older speedos as they dont have boost availible and hence cant run a blinky mode as it not there to turn off.
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Currently in clubman there should be no boost and no advance timing, only motor advancing is allowed. Am I to assume that what people want is to change to brca and allow timing advancement on the speedo and motor now? Or am I reading this wrong.
I took it that what was being suggested is that we are only allowed to use the speedos on that list. Keeping the whole no timing on the ESC as currently is. Though I could be wrong! (blinky on a tekin means no timing or boost whatsoever)

I was thinking about this, and i reckon, yes its nice to be able to tell if a speedo has no timing advance or boosts, but as long as a driver has some method of showing this thats all thats important (using laptops, showing the user manual, showing the blinky LEDs, what ever)

Already the DMCC rules and the RCCAOI rules show that for a competition the Battery and Motor should be EFRA/BRCA approved. I think we should keep it that way.
Going down the road of forcing people to use particular ESCs could be forcing people with old or HK type escs to go out and buy new ones with money they havent got. This may particulary effect new racers, and with the small following we have here in ireland, we dont want to be scaring anyone off.
Lets keep the current clubman class as is.. 10.5 and no ESC timing or boost
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I agree. Leave it as it is. Clubman 10.5 and now further advancement on the esc whatever
If you want to go faster. GO MODIFIED
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