Bury nw regional

[Gavin Collingwood]

A big well done to everybody today! Thanks to si and Eric in race control and thanks to Darren as race director today. Great weather and great racing.
Also good to see bury members representing 4 out of the 10 2wd A finalists!
That shows that we're not a load of bashers...

[budfish]

Who designed the track????

[Si Coe]

I don't think I can take any credit for race control - that was all Eric.

And yes Buds there was a distinct correlation between designed and built the track, and getting in the A.....

[budfish]

From what I here there was nothing but complaints!!!! no where to overtake !!!like a slalom on a bowling green!!!

[Gavin Collingwood]

Actually you'll find that woody designed that lay out.... I just built it

[tony12795]

Negatives:

Too much track jumping.

The track was too long and you squeezed way to much slow parts in the layout, with no where to overtake.

The standard of racing was disgusting properly not helped by the slow stuff.

The quads - problem was when other people got them wrong you hit them or they hit you. I have no idea why there run back to back, that's just stupid.

From what I heard that layout was setup a week in advanced and run the Sunday before which is a little unfair if true

Positives:

Well run and finished at a good time

[Gavin Collingwood]

Originally Posted by tony12795

Negatives:

Too much track jumping.

The track was too long and you squeezed way to much slow parts in the layout, with no where to overtake.

The standard of racing was disgusting properly not helped by the slow stuff.

The quads - problem was when other people got them wrong you hit them or they hit you. I have no idea why there run back to back, that's just stupid.

From what I heard that layout was setup a week in advanced and run the Sunday before which is a little unfair if true

Positives:

Well run and finished at a good time

Tony that is completely false. The track was come up with by woody and I set it out last night with rob mills. Last weeks track was totally different and didn't even involve jumping the quads. The quads worked fine in the higher heats but fair point lower down I can see how that could happen.

[tony12795]

Ok that could be just people speaking shit and not sure who told me actually.

The quads - I landed on top of people a few times as I was jumping two which was the fastest way and they weren't.

Just maybe next time go over four and not eight jumps it reduces the risk.

Have you guys thought about re-profiling the quads?

Originally Posted by Gavin Collingwood

Tony that is completely false. The track was come up with by woody and I set it out last night with rob mills. Last weeks track was totally different and didn't even involve jumping the quads. The quads worked fine in the higher heats but fair point lower down I can see how that could happen.

[Gavin Collingwood]

To be honest by the end most people had got the knack of it, I think if any work should be done first it should be making the hump in the middle higher and more undulated a little like what kiddy have. The biggest problem we've found is everybody wants changes but it's always 3-4 usual suspect willing to put the work in...

[budfish]

Originally Posted by tony12795

Ok that could be just people speaking shit and not sure who told me actually.

The quads - I landed on top of people

Some blokes of a certain persuasion could enjoy that

[Gavin Collingwood]

Bud......

[fil9144]

Originally Posted by tony12795

Negatives:

Too much track jumping.

The track was too long and you squeezed way to much slow parts in the layout, with no where to overtake.

The standard of racing was disgusting properly not helped by the slow stuff.

The quads - problem was when other people got them wrong you hit them or they hit you. I have no idea why there run back to back, that's just stupid.

From what I heard that layout was setup a week in advanced and run the Sunday before which is a little unfair if true

Positives:

Well run and finished at a good time

Any1 there last Sunday will tell you it was our club round 4 and was a very very diff track... Think no matter the way a track is set up is same for every single driver good and bad drivers which iam sure it was a Easyier track for people that can drive at alot higher standard than me but i enjoyed it

[Chris Elworthy]

I think Tony does make some valid points in that overtaking places were limited and a mistake infront of you on the quads could cause you to hit them but I don't see it much different to the technical back section at Southport. In the lower heats where people have not mastered the art of getting accross people are rolling left, right and centre in front of you which gets you get caught up in as parts of that section aren't much wider than half our quads.

Local knowledge will always play a part on any track...I couldn't get round Southport quickly at all the other week for the simple reason I rarely race there.


Chris

[tony12795]

My comments are only to help - not to slag anyone off.

I like Bury and will at some point race there I hope this year.

Not bothered about local knowledge - every track is the same.

Southport back section is a little different as you can just slow down and you will not lose that much time, the quads if you went over them slow (ie one at a time) your properly would lose 4/5 seconds a lap because there was eight bumps, I just thought two quads in succession was a bit daft because you make the hole track about one feature.

(Buds - I am glad you edited your comment, I did not see it but from what I was told they were nasty and un-called for)

Tony

[Gavin Collingwood]

Point taken, but it was a regional and we wanted to make it a reasonably difficult track. Bear in mind bury is quite an flat and easy track without those quads. But fair point

[johnnygibbon]

Yeah a good day in general , big thanks to Eric , I can sense a software change for bmrcc . And all the bmrcc boys for getting it running right
On the track topic , I think that it was enjoyable but possibly a little to technical in places like round the cross being a bit tight and slow , but also got skills up and was challenging , personally I prefer the quad jumps as a single item rather than split down the middle , I honestly think it keeps the race flowing more, ( not saying I could build a better track either so thanks to woody and Gav on that side of things )
But also other drivers and myself included found that as the day went on we got better and better at jumping it both ways , so it did help in that respect , and I suppose that's the point of racing . Always learning and adapting to the off road tracks,
Personally I think. Bury track is more suited to fast open flowing tracks at the min, with the big space we got it seems to work better , but I'm sure some modifications will be happening and things could always change .
Any way thanks to organisers track designers and builders I think everyone had a top day , and hope we get many more sunny regionals like it in the future

[losichris]

Big well done to bury lads in the A final, good showing.
Track seemed very tight, as this may be the reason for poor driving.
There was no way of pointing fingers at drivers cause so much corner cutting,taking out was going on.
Think im gonna become more ruthless in finals now, cause im sick of being at the front then being taken out and being dead last!!!

[Gavin Collingwood]

Nah mate don't do that, you usually find driving etiquette improves the higher finals you go, so aim to get higher without sounding patronising, keep your good etiquette. Don't lower yourself to being dirty. It's not your fault, if you're in front then the person behind has to give right of way to you and try and go around you cleanly and not through you. Sometimes though it may just be ability and driving errors, all it takes it somebody to brake too late and bang...... Isn't that right Elworthy.

[losichris]

Its swings and roundabouts, catch 22.
Drive that little slower and dont crash and get a clean run.
( this is what gets you taken out, as i noticed yesterday)
Or push harder giving more mistakes and crashes.
( this avoids being taken out)

Using the slow one got me 18/19 in round.
But for some reason i was in the C final, not sure how that could of been right.
In the final the slower dont crash technique doesnt work.

[Gavin Collingwood]

It's best 2 to count. And then if a few drivers have the same points then it's split on times.
Well ideally fast and no mistakes is the way. But I'd say make no mistakes and gradually pick up the pace. If you go slow people still shouldn't go through you, they should get past without taking you out. But, sometimes 'racing incidents' just occur. It's the way it goes in all formats of racing including 1:1