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Yes - 4wd designed cars should be allowed to run as 2wd cars | 105 | 39.47% | |
No - 4wd designed cars should not be allowed run as 2wd cars | 107 | 40.23% | |
Not bothered | 54 | 20.30% | |
Voters: 266. You may not vote on this poll |
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#141
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I saw first-hand the development of the CAT and PB 4wd drive cars which radically changed the sport in the 80’s.
Lipos and brushless motors again change the sport, making it possible for a privateer to compete with the pros and sponsored drivers without having to spend a fortune, which is a good thing. I can’t see a problem with people using one car in two classes, would rather see that than the fall in numbers witnessed in the late 90’s. For anyone new coming into the sport, it can be a real minefield choosing what to buy, having a car which can be run in two classes would be a real draw and it’s only a matter of time before one of the big manufactures develops one. The key for this sport to continue to grow from strength to strength is design; development and keeping cost down and if it means having one car that can be run in two classes so be it. |
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running 4wd in 2wd on Saturday gives you time to dial the car set up in so on Sunday the car is already dialed to the track IE dampers spring etc etc,so on Sunday pop your drive shafts in and bingo bango car is dial straight of the bat, I no a man of your driving skills it wouldn't matter to much, I'm sure you could drive a Tonka truck round IN 2WD MODE and still stick it in the A Main but for the minions it makes a huge difference. im not against full 2wd conversions infact as someone else already stated it the way to innovate
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So I would argue its designed to carry mass not a diff! You can't ban housings as every bearing on the car has a housing! And lastly you couldn't police the rules, even if you could come up with a watertight wording of the rules! |
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I could design and build one that was designed to carry mass! That's the point I'm making, It would be impossible to make a rule up, that wouldn't have a loophole in it and it would be impossible to police such a rule. So why not just keep the rules simple like they are? |
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was extremely interesting to see xrays converted XB4s running in 2wd at the euros. I believe shock locations , oil /piston set ups,camber link locations ,ballasting etc were completely different to the ones chosen for the 4wd event so i dont think they can be considered having gained free practice (in this case at least) compared to drivers than only run 4wd
By the way i would like to know more on the proceedings that led to the ban of FWD cars from 2wd in the 87 worlds. How was this done? In my mind it seems like the small german manufacturer that managed to go very well with his schumacher based FFs lost a political type of battle to AE , Kyosho (short end of the stick). Am i wrong? In my opinion FWD should be allowed the same freedom as RWD. Spec tires used for driving axle complete freedom (or the same type of freedom ) for the non driving axle as RWD Also why not use the gyroscopic effects of additional rotating parts? even if proved almost necessary to have in the future ( which i dont think they will be in all tracks and conditions) , they will be relatively cheap and provide an additional technological dimension to the sport (they are not like some type of electronic traction control that only few can afford or tune with their own powers/abilities) |
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Note: The Xray cars at the euros had a 2wd front end...
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This means that they didnt have a powered differential rotating?
otherwise all suspension components were xb4 (empty diff housing included) , chassis bent for more kick up and some hangars for lower inboard camber link locations thats all |
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Ok on the flip side of all this average joe clubman on a budget what better way to do both classes if all needs to do is remove front driveshafts.
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important point for the majority of drivers who have no major sponsors
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Just had a chat with Jamie Booth at SMD and he said the getting the chassis scrutteneered when booking in so you have to choose 1 chassis for the day. I think it has already been said on here so I apologise if going over old ground.
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#153
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You a buy a 4wd to race a 4wd clas
You buy a touring car to race touring You buy a 8th nitro to race 8th nitro You buy a 2wd to race 2wd (Just because xray are experimenting with a xb4 in 2wd you will also notice most have a b4 front end and chassis mods under the shell it seems people look at picture and think i can do that without looking at the engineering and principles behind the the xb4/2 experiments And i think cars do go to quick on astro a 2wd buggy doing the top end of 30 indoors on astro gimme grass n dirt any day |
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Ill build it if i get the support of a local club and land permission ild love to run in that horse shed again
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agree it would be nice to have one car to do all but in a real world, if a manufacture came up with a car that could do both folk would still buy one of each to run on both days, or as in the oOple series where both classes are on the same days, your screwed then!
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So people are adapting there cars to suit track conditions big deal, we have been doing this years
But be careful what you wish for as tightening rules in my eyes will limit innovation, and you will end up driving similar cars but just with a different manufactures logo on it.
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I like the idea of one car for both days! Less dosh is always a good thing for any hobby.
Surely the setup advantage thing is a load of shite? Most people run the same make 2 and 4wds anyway, so could easily whip shocks onto your car for Sunday? Most national track surfaces have been run on in previous years anyway, so a good setup is out here somewhere for all. I'm thinking 2wd car both days at oz, can I do this?
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Carl - so your point on the front drivetrain isn't entirely valid - but I know what you're saying. I can see the pros and cons for leaving it in. My gut feeling is that some of those that left it in were what's best described as being "economical with their wrenching".
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