Schumacher Supastox upgrade help!!

richm6 · #1 25-07-2013

Hopefully someone can help, currently I have a standard 13.5t 1s setup but people at my club run modified cars 21.5 2s setups, unfortunately i am new to this but I want to upgrade to a 21.5 setup. Can anyone advise the best motor, esc and battery to purchase..

Cheers in advance...

Rich

Chequered Flag Racing · #2 25-07-2013

Quote:

Originally Posted by richm6

Hopefully someone can help, currently I have a standard 13.5t 1s setup but people at my club run modified cars 21.5 2s setups, unfortunately i am new to this but I want to upgrade to a 21.5 setup. Can anyone advise the best motor, esc and battery to purchase..

Cheers in advance...

Rich

Have you looked at what your club members are using?

2s battery, not sure if you can get them in the UK but these are same size as 1s
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Intellect-...#ht_3282wt_816

or

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Intellect-...#ht_3118wt_816

Thunder Power 21.5 would be a good choice

Any high end esc either new or used will be up to the job

richm6 · #3 26-07-2013

Unfortunately trying to look at some peoples cars at the club does not help as they are not very helpful and keep their cars under wraps. I have tried to sneak a peak at the guy with the fastest car but no joy :-) Another guy i spoke to tried to help but he had same issue trying to work out what other people are running...

lol Looks like its very competitive even at friendly meetinsg...

mark christopher · #4 26-07-2013

Vapextech do a 2s stubby lipo, vapextech.co.uk tho I think I'd be looking for another club if thier like that

Oh and going 2s would be a down grade....

neallewis · #5 26-07-2013

If its that competitive and there are vast speed differences between cars, and other racers are reluctant to talk about their setups, sounds to me like they are running non-blinky esc settings, timing/boost on the esc. As Mark has mentioned, 21.5 /2S is a downgrade in terms of meeting the fair and national spec of 13.5/1S/blinky, but if you are having to move to something else just to keep up, then something is amiss with the class rules at the club. If the club is relaxed about the spec rules, then swich your esc out of blinky and into full timing advance mode, and see how you compare then, before wasting your money on the 21.5 setup.

vrooom · #6 26-07-2013

1s / 13.5T is faster around the track due to lighter weight but car has less "Torque" out of the corner. you need to max out the motor timing. it would make lot of difference.

mark christopher · #7 26-07-2013

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Originally Posted by vrooom

1s / 13.5T is faster around the track due to lighter weight but car has less "Torque" out of the corner. you need to max out the motor timing. it would make lot of difference.

sorry but thats not correct, max timing will seriously reduce torque and just give you more rpm to get more torque reduce timing and adjust gearing to get speed

if there not using any rules as such at the club, do as neal says and take it out of blinkey

SlowOne · #8 26-07-2013

It's difficult. 2S was introduced at the beginning because it was felt that it would be easier for people to get into the class as there were a limited range of 1S speedos. Using 2S meant that racers could pick any speedo and use it without the complexity of a receiver pack or booster when running 1S.

We put details in the BRCA Rules of which motors were zero timing and could be used to get similar speeds to 1S 13.5. That lasted about five minutes! So, with a motor timed up on 2S those cars are faster, so everyone has to run that.

It's a shame really. There's nothing you can do with a 1S/13.5 blinky set-up to complete. Like the others, I suggest you unleash a bit of timing and get the car to a speed that keeps up. To do that, set your motor timing to zero and add about 20 degrees of boost through the rev range - say 2500 to 7000 - and see how you go.

If you take the piss and boost it so it's much faster they'll probably stop you. If you get it to the same speed they should let you play.

The 2013/14 GT12 Rules will remove 2S as an option. I doubt that will reduce the take up in clubs. With the advent of a large range of 1S-comaptible speedos now available, this option is no longer required. It's a dinosaur now, but they did live for quite a time before they died out! HTH

reg · #9 26-07-2013

We had one at our club that had 2s boosted and timed to the hilt,
It was ridiculous how fast it was,looked good fun thought,
The other 2s ran as per rules and it was clear that the 2s is easyer to drive,the weight ment nothing upset it,it was very flat and smooth,1s won the championship (me) but it was very close,
If you are running by the rules and your gearing is right the it sounds like they have their own rules

richm6 · #10 27-07-2013

Cheers for all your replies, I am thinking of the following 1s solution now.. Can anyone give me their thoughts on the best configuration.. cheers :-)

Speed Controller
http://www.actionmodelcentre.com/pro...?prod=CAL-7002
Hobbywing XERUN 120, 1s competition speed control w/1s booster - Sensored
or
http://www.rctech.net/forum/electric...-flow-esc.html
LRP Flow

Motor
LRP X12 Vector Stock Spec. Pt.# 50842
http://www.lrp.cc/en/products/electr...-135t/details/
or
LRP X20 13.5T Spec.# 50844
http://www.lrp.cc/en/products/electric-motors/brushless/produkt/vector-x20-bl-stockspec-135t/details/

Battery
Team Orion Carbon Pro 6400mAh 90C 3.7V (Tubes plug)
http://www.rccarshop.co.uk/index.php...ubes-plug.html

SlowOne · #11 27-07-2013

The hot combination in TC Clubman right now is an HW 120A v2.1 (or V3.1 1S if you're feeling flush, but you won't notice the difference in a GT12) coupled with a Reedy Sonic Mach 2 (must be the Mach 2) with about 40deg static timing and fairly light gearing.

If you're intending to buy new, then the Reedy Mach 2 would be a better bet than the LRP. However, there will be a faster one along in a minute! HTH

reg · #12 27-07-2013

Iv got the flow and X20 fitted,
You will need a booster but don't need a program box,you will also be able to use it for 2s racing,
Iv yet to use it without a problem,but that was my error,
I didn't turn off the lipo valtage cutoff,I was able to run the same lap times in qually as the winner of the last GT12 chesterfield A final winner,until the car slowed loosing a second a lap,i still made the A though,we didn't realize it was the cut off setting so changed handset settings for the finals and it was like driving another car,
I think it's going to be a really good combo

mark christopher · #13 27-07-2013

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Originally Posted by SlowOne

HW 120A v2.1 (or V3.1 1S if you're feeling flush, but you won't notice the difference in a GT12)

The hot combination in TC Clubman right now is an HW 120A v2.1 (or V3.1 1S if you're feeling flush, but you won't notice the difference in a GT12)

Have you tried both to clam that?
also what TC class uses 1s??

mark christopher · #14 27-07-2013

Quote:

Originally Posted by richm6

Cheers for all your replies, I am thinking of the following 1s solution now.. Can anyone give me their thoughts on the best configuration.. cheers :-)

Speed Controller
http://www.actionmodelcentre.com/pro...?prod=CAL-7002
Hobbywing XERUN 120, 1s competition speed control w/1s booster - Sensored
or
http://www.rctech.net/forum/electric...-flow-esc.html
LRP Flow

Motor
LRP X12 Vector Stock Spec. Pt.# 50842
http://www.lrp.cc/en/products/electr...-135t/details/
or
LRP X20 13.5T Spec.# 50844
http://www.lrp.cc/en/products/electric-motors/brushless/produkt/vector-x20-bl-stockspec-135t/details/

Battery
Team Orion Carbon Pro 6400mAh 90C 3.7V (Tubes plug)
http://www.rccarshop.co.uk/index.php...ubes-plug.html

so what system do you have at the min?
just add timing, and save your money!

if you want the hobbywing (to me is the best) then look here far cheaper than your link
http://shop.cpdracing.co.uk/index.ph...roducts_id=572

richm6 · #15 28-07-2013

Quote:

Originally Posted by mark christopher

so what system do you have at the min?
just add timing, and save your money!

if you want the hobbywing (to me is the best) then look here far cheaper than your link
http://shop.cpdracing.co.uk/index.ph...roducts_id=572

Currently the setup is, a Core-Rc Pace-45R, 1s Core-RC 3.7V 25c/50c, and Speed Passion 13.5R Competition 3.0

Maybe i'm asking too much but i want the fastest setup i can get... I hate been just drove past on the straight as if i'm standing still ... lol...

Cheers

mark christopher · #16 28-07-2013

then stick a 10.5 in it!
seriously add timing to the speedo, it WILL go faster and cost you nothing, buying more 1s gear (even all top end) will not match a 21.5 2s with motor timing added.
re read pdw's suggestion and go with that.

reg · #17 28-07-2013

I think you will struggle with that tbh,
Taking the fan off will give you a bit more,
I think even if the others are running by the rules but using better speedo motor and battery's you will struggle

SlowOne · #18 28-07-2013

Quote:

Originally Posted by mark christopher

Have you tried both to clam that?
also what TC class uses 1s??

TC uses 2S as we both know!

I haven't tried it, but the man currently doing the winning in 17.5 Clubmans has. I follow his advice and always have a fast car. Last season it was the RevTech 17.5 and mine was excellent. This season it is the Reedy Sonic Mach 2 with which aforesaid racer has won the latest round of the Clubmans.

My man does the testing and winning, I do the buying from his advice. Works for me!

Rcracer10 · #19 15-04-2014

I use a Speed Passion 13.5t with the cranked up. I also use an Orion Vortex Pro, along with Orion 1s batteries. I would not recommend this motor though. Yes it is the quickest Supastox on the track, but the motor plugs (not soldered) come out in impact and can end your race. Maintenance is constantly required because of this. Go with a Thunder Power 13.5t, turn the timing up and stick a 1S high spec battery in and you will be quick, very quick!

As for setup, what tyres do you guys run, springs and what hop ups do you use?

Sam