Belgium GP Updated brits on tour

[elvo]

Originally Posted by OldTimer

Elvo, can you give the low down on what you think are good tyre options as your a local to the track i think i have a good idea now from the posts above

Rear: Yellow minipins for sure. I think these are insensitive to changes in insert.
2WD front: yellow stagger ribs. No inserts. (Although Janus uses them)
4WD front: staggers is safe. Too safe for me. 2WD slim minipins is probably your best bet, with plenty of rows of pins nipped off. Slim minispikes is also an option, but I think it's a slow one.
Wet: BB minipins, pink. Losi inserts are good, BB and Snee blue are better.
in-between-wet-and-dry: BB green pins.

[janus_77]

Originally Posted by elvo

2WD front: yellow stagger ribs. No inserts. (Although Janus uses them)

the stock foam from touringcar tires work well, PitShimizu fit nice when stretched. Grip is the same, but the car reacts a bit quicker.

Stopped using them though, stopped running touringcar ( duh.... ), so ran out of inserts.

[Chrislong]

I got some new shorts to bring

Is anyone runnning 4wd front tyres on the rear?

Si, I got Lipo! Will see if someone can bring food and water up to the rostrum, will be on the track for some time I think

[super__dan]

Elvo, have you done much running with not cut and shut tyres now they are banned for the GP, does this change things much? I saw one of the UK lads on worn non cut and shuts and his car seemed to want to grip roll a lot (4wd).

Do you think staggers are faster than minis on a 4wd front?

[Reevsey]

well i guess as you can only run hard case and LRP don't do any hardcase i am a bit stuck on the lipo front..... will just have to have 3 chargers on the go to make sure i get enough practice in!!!

[super__dan]

I've got 5 packs of last years cells I plan to use for practice. Realistically they could only be used 3 times a day as at like 15 minutes a run thats nearly 4 hours continuous track time. Frankly my eyes won't take that, especially not with Chris' shorts.

PS I've bought some new jazzy shorts, they're ACE!

[janus_77]

Originally Posted by super__dan

Elvo, have you done much running with not cut and shut tyres now they are banned for the GP, does this change things much? I saw one of the UK lads on worn non cut and shuts and his car seemed to want to grip roll a lot (4wd).

Do you think staggers are faster than minis on a 4wd front?

The way to get around the Cut and Shut rule in 4wd (isn't really needed in 2wd) is to use 4wd front tires in the rear and 2wd fronts in the front. If there streched over normal wheels they become much lower than normal tires.

I sometimes use them in the rear of my 2wd aswell to get some more steering. (the white X-6 )

[Chrislong]

Originally Posted by janus_77

The way to get around the Cut and Shut rule in 4wd (isn't really needed in 2wd) is to use 4wd front tires in the rear and 2wd fronts in the front. If there streched over normal wheels they become much lower than normal tires.

I sometimes use them in the rear of my 2wd aswell to get some more steering. (the white X-6 )

Cool! good picture too!

[elvo]

Originally Posted by super__dan

Elvo, have you done much running with not cut and shut tyres now they are banned for the GP, does this change things much? I saw one of the UK lads on worn non cut and shuts and his car seemed to want to grip roll a lot (4wd).

Do you think staggers are faster than minis on a 4wd front?

With 2WD slim minipins stretched over a wide and large enough rim, and enough rows nipped off, it should be OK. I don't know if anyone has ever tested blue front slim minipins? Might be the ticket for racers with griprollophobia.
I haven't driven 4WD much, but I'm not a fan of staggers in 4WD. The diameter is too small, the front wheels don't have enough pull out of the corners. Might as well be driving a 2WD :-D


About 4Wd front minipins on wide rims at rear: I'm not a huge fan. unlike Janus, I approach corners like a real panzy, braking beforehand, etc... I found that with the sidewalls all straight and messed up, sideways compliance is basically gone. I wasn't happy with on-power powering-out-of-turns behaviour either. (along the hedge etc)
But they do give more rotation. Bit abrupt though.

[janus_77]

Originally Posted by elvo

About 4Wd front minipins on wide rims at rear: I'm not a huge fan. unlike Janus, I approach corners like a real panzy, braking beforehand, etc... I found that with the sidewalls all straight and messed up, sideways compliance is basically gone. I wasn't happy with on-power powering-out-of-turns behaviour either. (along the hedge etc)
But they do give more rotation. Bit abrupt though.

In 4wd is probably a better option, But you'd need to remember your putting on lower tires, so you can't just swap them and expect it to work, You'd need to at least compensate on driving height and maybe take 2 or 3 packs to adapt your setup if your used to run normal unmodified tires.

In 2wd I have to admit this is not the thing to do for everyone. Again you'd need a few packs to perfect your setup (for me is rear ride height, and go -5wt in the rear shocks). But even then it's for the people who don't like to use breaks and/or like a bit more ...errrmmm... hostile car. So for the people who are contemplating minipin or spikes in the front.......

[Fiddybux]

Originally Posted by super__dan

Dan Greenwood
Chris Long
Craig Harris
Neil Driffill
Garry Driffill
Paul Crawford
Kev Lee
Jon Spencer
Chris Burgess
Tom Burgess
Barry Weldon
Simon Larkin
Chris Evison
Matt White
Si Reeves

Sounds good (except Kev )

Carl - If you're not booked in now you won't get in, it was fully booked within a couple of hours and the waiting list pretty long. It's next month though, in Belgium

And me....

Russell Dyson

Although I'm just going along for the beer mainly as I'm way way down on the reserves list.

It's gonna be sweet though.

[paulc]

hi guys how many sets of tyres are you taking over to belguim how many sets do you expect to use while your there over the 4 days because if there lasting only 3-4 runs going to need a fair few sets

i take it there will be a model shop or two there with plenty of stock

cheers paul

[janus_77]

Originally Posted by paulc

i take it there will be a model shop or two there with plenty of stock

cheers paul

MCM should be on site from fridays to supply tires and parts.

the 3 to 4 runs estimate is for full-on racing. In practise you can use sets a lot longer.

[rcracer]

what about pitting, do people take gazebos / tents ?

[Chrislong]

Yeh, take Gazebo or tent. The track is kinda in the woods, so pitting is within the tree's, its really cool though.

As for tyres Paul, take all your part worns and thrash them through practice, then perhaps start to try new by the end of Friday just to make sure the car doesn't bite you when it matters. Won't need many new ones.

And don't forget, everyone gets 4 rouns of qualifying and 3 leg finals.

[Garry Driffill]

I cant wait to get there now and have a look, the videos looks ace. Pitting in the woods sounds cool too ..

Im glad LIPO is allowed too

[burgie]

[quote=Chrislong;131484]Yeh, take Gazebo or tent. The track is kinda in the woods, so pitting is within the tree's, its really cool though.
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LOL - did you get that idea from your hotel room Chris?

[rcracer]

Originally Posted by Chrislong

Yeh, take Gazebo or tent. The track is kinda in the woods, so pitting is within the tree's, its really cool though.

And don't forget, everyone gets 4 rouns of qualifying and 3 leg finals.

cheers chris , been in touch with willy he's going to sort me out with the results rounds/finals for a race report for jimmy

[rowley]

With Lipo allowed have they now got a bigger rostrum? Sooooo many people always want to practice at the same time and there is never ebough space on the rostrum!!!

[Garry Driffill]

we going down for thursday and friday practice, plenty of track time