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13-10-2011
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Let's sort out the driving standards (Ideas)
Had an idea!! There are 7 marshals on track, 2 standing next to each other right. Well why not have a random driver picked at the start of the meeting (say number 3) there job that night is to stand on the stage and check for driving standards,lapped cars, missed cars that have cashed ect.
Also I think there's a lot of confusion over what we are doing are we racing or Qualifiying? If we are racing I think a grid starts like finals night would be good (after all P1 did out qualify P2 from the previous week why should P2 be on the front row) If we are Qualifying then as is is ok but more effort is needed to let faster cars through even if there on the same lap. 
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#2
13-10-2011
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I agree in some of the heats things looked a little heated!
Maybe a swear box would be a good idea?! Lol we could earn quote alot of money out of this I reckon! Anyway, can the lap counting system call the results out and call for when a car is about to be lapped? I know this worked well at Maritime when I raced touring cars. All it would need is a speaker on the stage and numbers on the cars. Or a referee on the stage? But some heats don't have enough Marshall so could be tricky?
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#3
13-10-2011
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A Ref is a great idea however there are 2 issues with this i see.
Experiance A ref must be an experianced racer and able to differentiate between a deliberate colision and a accidental one and only a large amount of experiance can do this + Also i good understanding of BBK timing and how it reads is also needed as otherwise you could call out someone to be lapped when there actually not. The timing system would also need to be on the stage as the ref needs to be able to see the timing screens to do an effective job. Maratime uses a different timing system as far as i am aware the BBK software does not allow automated calling of lapping cars. Having refereed a national A final personally one thing i would say is its easier to say it than actually do it Gareth
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13-10-2011
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Totally agree with the experience statement but this is only club racing so for the lower heats having a less experience ref he or she would naturally miss things but then wouldn't it be a good learning curve and to be honest we all miss things.
Think the racer ref giving out stop/go ect would be a bit unfair. I remember years ago 10sec penaultys being used havn't seen or heard of one being issued yet since I've been back (I may be wrong?) Is the lack of respect for other racers a Buggy thing? Find it strange that's all!
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13-10-2011
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Ps just like to add, I saw some superb close racing last night, stuy and edd round 1. Me and Scott had a great battle.
Fair play to James keeping Stuy behind him for so long in rd3 (I no it didn't end well) but credit where credits due
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#6
13-10-2011
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If you were to line everones car up on the stage, there is not one person who could not name the owner of every single car.
And its bull that you don't know where you are in the race. Ok maybee for the fist couple of laps, but you know when your being lapped for the umptenth time. And we all know the fast drivers ocasionally end up in a lower heat, the other 6 drivers know full well they will be 2 / 3 laps down but still try and race wheel to wheel taking both cars out. SIMPLY KNOW YOU LIMIT!!! let em through and try to follow.
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#7
13-10-2011
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To clear things up we are racing, but our final position (best of 2 rounds) qualifies us for our heat the following week.
Although it is a similar concept to heats and finals, rolling on over from week to week, it is not the same. Track obviously changes and so does the people who turn up from week to week. As for driving standards, the lower heats are populated by individuals with lower skill levels, and the speed of the 13.5t boosted motors makes it difficult for lower skilled drivers to get round the track cleanly. period. There are however individuals with a high degree of skill, who normally populate the A, who have no excuse in allowing their car to hit another drivers car.... Sadly they do not care about lower skilled club drivers, and will gladly punt the the hell out of the less skilled under the banner of 'lapping' if they have a bad week and are knocked down a heat or two. I wonder what message this is sending out..... but not a positive one I’m guessing. There is 'winning' at any cost and there is having a 'good race' with somebody. Sadly too many people are putting too much into the former and not enough into the latter. My opinion is that as a club we should have respect for each other, and not get pissed off and harpoon somebody else. The evening should revolve around taking part and having a good time, and enjoyment, after all there is only ever one winner.... And normally that’s the same person. I do understand this is not everybody’s cup of tea.... oh well Weekend racing with heats and finals and a big commitment in time is where there may be the need for referees I guess this is where i stand anyhow. Cheers Ollie
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13-10-2011
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13-10-2011
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I'm happy to help keep a watchfull eye on a few races.
I agree the level of competition is moving on with alot of good drivers at the club ( look how we all did at Off road wars ) so maybe we need a few tweaks to make the evening more enjoyable for all levels.
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#10
13-10-2011
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At the moment we race on the night to get a ranking to qualify us for a particular heat the following week. That is where we draw the line. The track changes and the drivers change the following week. The track the following week may not suit your style quite so much as a couple of others in your heat... so there is differences... but that’s not really the problem.... If a driver qualifies in first position in any heat, he will get the advantage all night. If he wins, is it because of his starting position or is it on his driving standard on the night? It makes more sense to me to do as we currently do, which gives everybody a shot up front... Indeed it also ads a little challenge to the top qualifier in a heat, because one of the heats he has to move through the pack, mixes things up a bit.... I would have thought it would have made sense to you, because the alternative would be for Ed to walk it every single time because he would have had the advantage... boring.... i guess its a club thing, as opposed to a racer thing.... Not that i care overly at the moment, since i have no job and have got other things on my mind... But one possibility could be to have a staggered start but alternate the order, for instance the first race could be 123456789 then 456789123 and then 789123456... maybe just for the top heat, who dont seem to be able to be good sportsmen into the first corner.... would not need more than our current three lines either... 1 in front, 2 on the line and three behind... you get the picture...
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13-10-2011
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Hi Scott,
I like your idea, the only problem is that people can and do loose track of their position, you only need the odd crash or other upset in the race... So you have the individual who believes he is lapping, calling out... and the person being lapped, who may not even know the individual or the car of that person calling out... Most of the time people get the idea, but it is not infallible... which i think is what you need for a rule... At the end of the day it is based on good will, if you ask an individual to move over and they don't, for whatever reason, i would suggest that it would be better to hang back and wait for an opportunity. I do know that this can get a little frustrating, because i do it, if i cause an accident it is because i have made a mistake.... 9 times out of 10 they will move over anyway. One way to really upset anybody is to come up to them and at the first available chance, drive over them... or tbone them... because they have not moved over the millisecond they get near you. (not having a dig at you here scott, but there are drivers in the club that have done it to me and that i would lay money down that they would do it to me again in an instant... being that i am a 'club' driver...) if people do this, they should expect that the next time the come round to lap (and i'm not saying it is correct here either) for it to be a little harder ....... its just human nature... thats why respect is the best policy all round...
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13-10-2011
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Not my intention to come across that way Ollie all im trying to say is that what ever you are doing sport,video games etc as soon as competition takes affect people change.
Eveyone is there for one reason to RACE there are loads of fields, loads of car parks but we choose to race at Forcc as a organised club,with rules with a set format, and at the moment maybe the rules have either got to be re- enphasised or change to match the new level of competition and speed within the club/hall. All these comments from everyone proves to me that we all care and enjoy racing at Forcc but want to bring it foward and in no way is any bad bits aimed at any committe/volunteer if they are then they perhaps need to speak direct to that person. maybe a one week meeting behind Boughton hall closed doors and not this forum would be a good idea, have a vent off over a cup of tea and a slice of cake  .
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#13
13-10-2011
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Hi olly
I think you have missed my point some what Yes the car being lapped should move instantly out of the way costing the quicker car no loss of time at all... That's racing... That's what this club is for ,isn't it.? If you can't tell who is lapping you then move over for all the cars as that's your fault you can't tell, not my night ruined cause you are not on the ball If you can't tell then you should ask to be in the bottom heat ( when I say YOU I don't mean litteraly you olly just an example) My rules idea is to clarify race rules! not enforced! Just if you disobey them you look very silly I have no feeling in my throttle thumb but I don't expect everyone that races me to tourniquet their thumb lol Simple rules of racing kept plain and simple As for people that only go for a bash ..... Ideally don't do it in Any ones race that is there to race .. If you do then take the consequences cause our race stuff costs £££££££&££ and we are sick of you breaking it and smirking off It's a race club yes? Then race not tit about If you want to break your car bring it to me and I will stamp on it for you lol but stop bouncing it off us racers Oh and olly none of us racers want to hit back markers we want to hit nothing! That's the point None of this aimed directly at anyone .... But if the cap fits then change it lol Cheers
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On the post you did quoted below
Did you mean if they drive over you you will then hold them up deliberately next lap? Cause if so this is exatly the behavior we don't want for a good night and you shouldn't be racing I did a tit for tat retaliation this week and was slagged off massively and put down by Hog so we have fallen out big time! Quote:
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