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Newb questions! (what car to get...)
Hey guys!
first off, sorry if this post is in the wrong place X_x I'm new here.. and I'm new to RC cars (well at least these types, i've had some in my childhood years <_< but they don't really count) anyway... just so people know, i'm so new that i don't even have a car yet! which brings me to this lovely forum. i read a review for the Keen Hawk and saw how in depth it was and thought to my self "hey these people would be the best people to ask advise from!" so i found your forum so that brings me to my actual question... i've been looking into getting a basic off road electric rc car.. and i've been looking at the website http://www.towerhobbies.com/ the various components that i've mostly made up my mind about are: battery: http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin...?&I=LXNCR1&P=0 charger: http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin...?&I=LXCLD5&P=7 controller/servo/esc: http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin...I=LXENN1**&P=0 (some of the cars i looked at alreaqdy had ESC so for those i looked at  http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin...I=LXENN3**&P=0as for the car itself i was still unsure, like i said above i'm looking at something that i can drive offroad, not for any competitions or races (at least.. not yet.. but keeping hte option open would be nice) but for recreation on road, dirt, pebble, and grass(sorta) so i've been leaning towards a buggy type car.. here are a few i looked at.. http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin...?&I=LXMFW1&P=7 http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXRXV8 http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXPJP8 http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXMVP3 http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin...?&I=LXCHZ6&P=7 i would like to keep it under 350 and maybe even 300 dollars (so far all these cars and the battery,controller,charger, all work out fine.) so if you have any suggestions for some other item that is a must get (which fits into the price range) let me know :] a lil above wouldn't hurt, i might compensate on the controller. i would greatly appreciate any advise, i am a complete beginner, i just found out today what turns represents in regards to performance.. (i hope i found out correctly, someone might as well tell me what is faster/has more torque between a 20t motor and a 15t motor, so i can get it straight.) i'm also looking for low maintenances, but a lil is okay.. (sorry for the wordy post.. i like to supply as many words as necessary to insure that my intents and my inquiry are as accurate as possible) thanks again -Duster 
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the B4 Race spec is a great starter deal. it's based on the world champion B4 car, so plenty of scope to upgrade and race it in the future.
if you prefer a 4wd car then have a look for the Kyosho Lazer ZX5 ready to run package. another very capable race car.
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yeah i looked at some RTR but i wanted to try putting one together, (i also wanted to get some of my own ESC and what not, but as long as the ones that come with it are good it might work..) also the total cost comes out to be $325 (withotu shipping) if you include the battery i want and the charger.. which is right in the midrange of the other cars i've been looking at.. but associated is a good company.. okay i'll add this one to the list of considerations. even if i have to give up making it and get an RTR.. thanks ps: where can i find a good deal on the Kyosho Lazer ZX5, its not on tower hobbies which would make it a hassle to get different components from different websites (shipping adds up :[ ) but for the most part it looked pretty good... i think i am leaning more towards 4wd pps: thanks for clarifying the turns... so a 15 t motor would spin faster, but would need to be geared down to compensate.. but would the car overall would have more torque right, not necessarily more speed (torque usually helps speed it up though but not directly) one last clarification.. what is the main difference between a 2 wheel drive and 4 wheel drive buggy? (including the effects on battery life, maintenance and performance on various surfaces) Last edited by DusterX17; 14-11-2007 at 03:12 PM. Reason: wanted to include replies to other posts also
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i wouldnt get any of the tamiya's if you want to race the b4 rtr is a very competative car out of the box and very cheap for the amount of car you get.
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 isn't it the other way around? A bigger pinion spins more teeth for the same revolution so will spin up to a higher speed but have less torque and a smaller pinion will turn fewer teeth for the same revolution so will have more torque and less top speed.Think of a bicycle: the front cogs are the drive side, the bigger the cogs the faster the bike but the more difficult it is to turn but the higher speed you can reach. big pinion = faster smaller pinion = more torque smaller spur = faster bigger spur = more torque That's how I had it anyway 
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Bicycle cogs again say you have 5 gears, your 27t can turn the biggest gears easily, but only up to a low revolution, but an 8t can spin the 2nd gear 8 times as fast, but it can't accelerate with the bigger gear at all.
You have the cogs the right way round, a larger primary cog does give you less torque, however, this is just to make up for the fact that the motor driving it has oodles of torque, so it doesn't need to gain any more in gearing, if that makes sense?
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By all means buy a kit, Building it makes it a personal. I'd suggest the ZX5 or the SBV2 Pro. amainhobbies.com
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i heard from some other people also not to get any tamiya, so its great to hear all this reinforced.. i'm still debating between 4 wheel drive and 2 w drive... because off road is still off road and both will be able to handle what i want them to (for the most part, obviously the 4 wheel drive will handle the tougher stuff easier, like grass) but for the road i heard that the 4 wheel drive tends to under turn and the 2 wheel drives do seem capable of doing both. so could someone provide an answer to my quote above? what is the main difference, in performance and capabilities, also battery life and maintenance between a 2 and 4 wheel drive vehicle. :] thanks i'm also going to look at some of those other cars, the Associated buggy was suggested to me by some others too so i'm going to look into that along with a few of the other suggestions. :] :] -Duster
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15-11-2007
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B4, everybody had or has one these 2 wheel drive cars, look at the B44, nice new 4 wheel drive to match your B4, get down your local track see whats being used, secondhand can often be a good buy. Main difference 2 or 4 wheel drive is obviously the way they drive, pushing and pulling in corners and jumping------its all fun.
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awesome, i think i'm leaning more towards 2wd.. umm so far most people say both are great, but i had one person, but i think my preference may be two wheel drive..
i've also sorta been looking at preowned, because the rc controller the rtr comes with didn't really appeal to me.. i found this one so far.. http://cgi.ebay.com/Team-Associated-...QQcmdZViewItem and http://cgi.ebay.com/Team-Associated-...ayphotohosting i would like to know what i would need to get on my own if i bought either one of these.. and niehter specify what motor if any, i'm not sure of the jargon, so a lil clarification would be nice. also.. what is the price like on those items even if they don't have motors are they reasonable? because when i buy the controller/battery/charger i can easily buy a motor too the shipping would be included so the cost should not add up too much thanks -duster
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Of the two you have highlighted, the first one looks the best deal to me with all the spares you get with it. Neither of the two buggies has a motor or esc included, so you would need to buy these separately. When a buggy is referred to as a 'rolling chassis' it tends to mean the car is complete minus electrics, i.e. ESC, motor and batteries.
As for what else you would need to buy. Well a motor, an ESC, two or three sets of batteries, a charger, a discharger and some pinion gears. You will probably also need some electric connectors such as Deans or Corally type and a soldering iron if you dont already have one. This may sound alot but I think this should be everything needed for a considerable amount of time! Hope this helps.
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15-11-2007
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thanks, but just wondering what are the pinions for? and would i expect them to need replacing? (or is this just for the gear ratio? for various motors)
how about.. http://cgi.ebay.com/Team-Associated-...ayphotohosting and http://cgi.ebay.com/Team-Associated-...QQcmdZViewItem and http://cgi.ebay.com/team-associated-...ayphotohosting :] Last edited by DusterX17; 15-11-2007 at 04:28 AM. Reason: added link...
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that last one looks quite good as it comes with a brushless system = not much maitenance [spelling :s] which is what you want??
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yeah i was thinking about the brush less motor and all.. but i could survive without if need be, but what about the overall value of the item?
and that brushless motor.. to what other brushed motor is it equvilant to? stock 20t-27t? or something more like 12t or 15t-20t? i was also considering that http://cgi.ebay.com/Team-Associated-...QQcmdZViewItem but i'm not sure why they call it stealth, is that an older model? or what is the variation between that one and a normal b4 buggy. also, the graphite chassis.. i'm not sure what graphite upgrades really do and what are they valued at? and can anyone tell me what exacly this guy is selling.. http://cgi.ebay.com/Team-Associated-...QQcmdZViewItem its hard to tell from the pictures.. but i thought it seemed to be a fair deal for that cost.. IF it is indeed complete as he claims.. (i've asked me to specify so hopefully i'll get a response soon) thanks -Duster
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so i took some of your advise, and some of my Robotics/Electronics teacher and i decided to go for the
http://cgi.ebay.com/team-associated-...ayphotohosting and. well i won :] but instead of $227 which is what i found it at i had to pay $257 :[ oh well in my opinion it was worth it for the brush less motor.. any opinions?
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