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KF low grip set

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Hi

How come Schumacher have not just released a complete low grip KF kit to replace the SV2 or is this grip level getting a little to specialised.

Where does the line stop or will we be seeing kits for "hardly any grip", "low to medium grip", "quite a lot of grip", "high grip", "absolutely mega high you have never seen before grip" conversions available shortly.

"Wanting to use you Cougar KF all year round now becomes possible with this low grip conversion set"

Mind you having a few more ace looking Schumacher cars on the shelf, now they are switching over to the all black scheme is something to enjoy.

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I get the feeling Schumacher are still finding out about the KF chassis and are possibly surprised at the cars popularity and how quick it can be driven in conditions it shouldn't be able to.
Perhaps this will spell the end of the SV chassis as it doesn't make sense to have three 2wd cars in the line up when the KF can handle mid to high grip and the KR for low grip. Perhaps there will be an updated KF coming out later on this year or next with the new type chassis so that owners can change the car to how they want.
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I get the feeling Schumacher are still finding out about the KF chassis and are possibly surprised at the cars popularity and how quick it can be driven in conditions it shouldn't be able to.
Perhaps this will spell the end of the SV chassis as it doesn't make sense to have three 2wd cars in the line up when the KF can handle mid to high grip and the KR for low grip. Perhaps there will be an updated KF coming out later on this year or next with the new type chassis so that owners can change the car to how they want.
I agree with you, hence the reason why Schumacher haven't released a new SV2 inline with the rest of there new "black themed" car.

I've just bought a KF myself to use all year around so might try out this new conversion once I've driven the buggy stock.
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Has anyone got any more feedback on this low grip conversion? I'm interested to hear how it is going on grass?
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I'm just about to build one - I only ever race on astro but happy to do a back to back comparison with the standard kf if people want once it's built?
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I'm just about to build one - I only ever race on astro but happy to do a back to back comparison with the standard kf if people want once it's built?
Cool, that'd be great if you could thanks.

Having just got my KF, I'll be running it mostly standard to start with apart from alloy rear blocks & a shorty conversion.

Do you know if the low grip conversion chassis is the same thickness? I'm aware it has two sets of motor mount holes, one to move the motor further to the rear & one in the standard position.
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I've heard its thinner than the kit chassis.
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Cool, that'd be great if you could thanks.

Having just got my KF, I'll be running it mostly standard to start with apart from alloy rear blocks & a shorty conversion.

Do you know if the low grip conversion chassis is the same thickness? I'm aware it has two sets of motor mount holes, one to move the motor further to the rear & one in the standard position.
As soon as I pick it up from the post office I'll be able to measure it.

The aim is to build it with all the same settings (camber, ride height, oils, etc) as my current KF and then see how it drives with the obvious difference being shorties and the motor slung back.

From that point forward I'll then tweak for wet conditions.
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The huge popularity of the KF kit I believe has led Schumacher to put extra development focus on the KF, allowing it to be a more allround car.

I built up a new kit with the low grip chassis for the oople series at Stotfold this weekend, I had both my cars running and back to backed both, the track was slippy at first and the low grip car was better as expected, I tried both again when the track dried and decided on the low grip for the rest of the meeting - which remained dry and very high grip.

The low traction car has a less twitchy front end and a little easier to drive on some of these very high grip types of astro I think..

Good thing is you can keep the same chassis and just move the gearbox etc back and forward.
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The hug popularity of the KF kit I believe has led Schumacher to put extra development focus on the KF, allowing it to be a more allround car.

I built up a new kit with the low grip chassis for the oople series at Stotfold this weekend, I had both my cars running and back to backed both, the track was slippy at first and the low grip car was better as expected, I tried both again when the track dried and decided on the low grip for the rest of the meeting - which remained dry and very high grip.

The low traction car has a less twitchy front end and a little easier to drive on some of these very high grip types of astro I think..

Good thing is you can keep the same chassis and just move the gearbox etc back and forward.
Thanks for this, good hearing some feedback. I plan on using my KF as an allround car too.
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Do you know if the low grip conversion chassis is the same thickness?
Just got it from the PO. Measured the thickness - original chassis 2.68mm, low grip is 2.63mm. So basically as near as damn it

Nice little package really, interesting thing is that the original, shorty lipo conversion and the low grip belts are all different numbers of teeth. I had assumed the shorty and the low grip would be the same but apparently not

The build starts imminently.
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Just got it from the PO. Measured the thickness - original chassis 2.68mm, low grip is 2.63mm. So basically as near as damn it

Nice little package really, interesting thing is that the original, shorty lipo conversion and the low grip belts are all different numbers of teeth. I had assumed the shorty and the low grip would be the same but apparently not

The build starts imminently.
Thats due to the motor being moved back 21mm.

I've settled on running the low grip conversion my self, as James says - the car just feels abit easier to drive. The rear end does not rotate as quick as the standard KF, and just seems a better balanced car for an outdoor track.

In wet conditions, the car has alot of drive and decent side bite - I was very surprised as initially I did not believe the car would go as well as it did.

I made zero changes from running in the dry and wet, just changed to the correct tyres and in both instances the car went well - very ideal.

I just wish the rear alloy upper trans would hurry up
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I just wish the rear alloy upper trans would hurry up
Spoke to schumacher today - they reckon 3-4 weeks away so I'm going to take mine off the "dry" car
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Thats due to the motor being moved back 21mm.

I've settled on running the low grip conversion my self, as James says - the car just feels abit easier to drive. The rear end does not rotate as quick as the standard KF, and just seems a better balanced car for an outdoor track.

In wet conditions, the car has alot of drive and decent side bite - I was very surprised as initially I did not believe the car would go as well as it did.

I made zero changes from running in the dry and wet, just changed to the correct tyres and in both instances the car went well - very ideal.

I just wish the rear alloy upper trans would hurry up
And ball diffs ! U4199 another 2-3 weeks away!
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Can you buy a complete car kit with the new chassis or just the conversion kit.
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James/paul take it then if you are running the low grip layout, do you have to run shorty, or are you running the low grip kit by in normal layout?
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James/paul take it then if you are running the low grip layout, do you have to run shorty, or are you running the low grip kit by in normal layout?
I'm sure they will comment but as far as I can see from both the instructions and the actual build, standard lipos won't fit
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I dont see the point in have a convertion for the KF and also buy more batteries which have to be charged just incase you change the set up. The KF was designed for high grip so why mess with it. I love my KF and I love my SV2 lets leave it at that.

If schumacher are not carful they will turn the KF into the SX3, a very nice car but a pig to set up which will put people off. Simple is best and thats what has made the SV2, K1 and KF so popular.

Dont get me wrong I also love my SX3 and K1 but i do prefer the K1. as its simple.
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Got to be honest in the damp at oOple stotfold I ran my sv2 in the damp, won my heat, in the dry I ran my kf, in one round there was spots of rain,many rushed to swap tyres to damps, I switched on sv2, looked at sky and decided it was passing, swapped back to dry kf as cars doing warm up lap, won the heat..... I'm staying with the two I have.
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