Facebook?

[SlowOne]

Originally Posted by mattr

So you won't use a website provided by a multi billion dollar corporation, which is based in a country whose government puts many many (many) rules in place about how data is handled and stored. (And you can use Facebook with virtually no personal information, other than your name and ip address (which are easy to fake))

But you do put all your details onto a website run by a bloke in a house near Leeds.

I'd say it's an epic failure to understand how the internet works.

No, I don't use a website that is required by the US Government to send it's complete server-based details of all posts to it every seven days. That same US Government that is now railing against Apple and Google for implementing encryption that the FBI and CIA can't hack and trying to get the Law changed so that they have a backdoor into any encryption. And that's before we start on our own GCHQ how are looking at all our data with no reference to Government or the Law. Frankly my data is better off with a bloke in Leeds...

Originally Posted by szymanski2oo1

I would guess that fb is a preferred method to use, it's not limited to a closed network of users ( ie if your on oople your probably a racer anyway ) but fb offers greater visibility for attracting new blood to the sport, friends of friends can see how much fun were having ! 😃 fb has got to be a good thing I think. How about you sign up to fb lock down all the privacy settings and just use it to view the clubs fb pages that your interested in.

That's the best reason I ever seen or heard for using FB - well argued and a very good point...

Originally Posted by CHEVY

I'll second that jimmy does an awesome job far better than other sites

Yup!

Originally Posted by racingdwarf

Yep really easy to know how the internet works, nothing is private!

+1

Originally Posted by szymanski2oo1

I agree that in an ideal world all clubs would have up to date ( modern ) websites designed well for easy access browsing etc along with fb and oople being updated, with a team of admins that can manage it all ... But the reality of the situation( I think) is that not all websites are the same, some websites can't be updated as easily as others, some websites will need an admin with a certain amount of technical knowledge ( that you will be reliant upon to update the site when he / she is not working ), some websites are just too old and need a complete re vamp, but this all costs money and time. When you have a free resource such as fb where info can be updated by almost any club member and viewers can view the info by simply opening their Fb app on their phone at any time quickly and easily it's hard to think of a good reason not to utilise the service. I agree there are always going to be trolls posting un interesting or even offensive stuff on fb, but it takes no more than 2 clicks on the mouse to block that user so you never have to see anything from them again.

There is a good reason to put in that effort. A lot of people who take up racing are over 35 and they are not on FB. They search the internet in different ways and searching for clubs is one of them.

Recent research shows that teenagers are deserting FB in their droves because it has become the favourite haunt of their parents, and they don't want to be on anything their parents think is cool.

Multiple platforms work best, so club websites and Oople and others are worth the effort.

Originally Posted by Gupz

Long live oOple!

Yay!

[mattr]

Unless you live completely off the grid, the government already holds far more interesting data about you than which tyres you are going to use at the regionals.

And they still don't give a toss one way or the other, mini pins or mini spikes.

[David Church]

I personally like Facebook.

BUT, you are 100% correct!!! Clubs and shops should use more than just FB.
It doesn't take long to copy and paste things to many places!

You continue to stand up for what you believe in and don't let rubbish get you down!!!

[mark christopher]

Originally Posted by SlowOne

No, I don't use a website that is required by the US Government to send it's complete server-based details of all posts to it every seven days. That same US Government that is now railing against Apple and Google for implementing encryption that the FBI and CIA can't hack and trying to get the Law changed so that they have a backdoor into any encryption. And that's before we start on our own GCHQ how are looking at all our data with no reference to Government or the Law. Frankly my data is better off with a bloke in Leeds...

That's the best reason I ever seen or heard for using FB - well argued and a very good point...

Yup!

+1

There is a good reason to put in that effort. A lot of people who take up racing are over 35 and they are not on FB. They search the internet in different ways and searching for clubs is one of them.

Recent research shows that teenagers are deserting FB in their droves because it has become the favourite haunt of their parents, and they don't want to be on anything their parents think is cool.

Multiple platforms work best, so club websites and Oople and others are worth the effort.

Yay!

A little niave if you think its only facebook being watched, start a thread on here on how to build a home made bomb, and wait...

[David Church]

Originally Posted by mark christopher

A little niave if you think its only facebook being watched, start a thread on here on how to build a home made bomb, and wait...

LOL fair point Mark!

[andrewc]

We started a club 12 months ago; to be perfectly honest without FB we'd have struggled.

I hate it on a personal level, I use twitter massively for work and LOVE it, just cannot get on with FB...BUT it's reach is undeniable.

We now have close to 400 likes on FB, and organised our very first open night via FB; 38 drivers came down and tried our facilities; we're now attracting that number on a fortnightly basis.

We run an open profile which I believe means anyone can view it, even non members? Please do try and see for us?

https://www.facebook.com/1066racing

Having said all that I asked Jimmy for a club section on here too, as it's the best source of specialist info in the UK. We've gained one member via Oople, so it's a useful tool too.

We'd love a website for basic info such as dates/contact/location, but doubt we'd have the man hours to add photos/results etc as we do on FB.

In summary; FB a useful tool, but I don't use it for personal use at all.

[Lee1972]

Originally Posted by mattr

Unless you live completely off the grid, the government already holds far more interesting data about you than which tyres you are going to use at the regionals.

And they still don't give a toss one way or the other, mini pins or mini spikes.

Nice one

[SlowOne]

Originally Posted by mattr

Unless you live completely off the grid, the government already holds far more interesting data about you than which tyres you are going to use at the regionals.

And they still don't give a toss one way or the other, mini pins or mini spikes.

True, and lots of it through your loyalty cards, credit cards, bank transactions, Paypal, etc. as well as your internet activity. Although tyre choice isn't that interesting to HMG!!

Originally Posted by mark christopher

A little niave if you think its only facebook being watched, start a thread on here on how to build a home made bomb, and wait...

I didn't say that it was only Facebook. To turn your usual reply back on you, Mark, read my post! I said I didn't want to be on A company that shares its data with the USG. It is any company registered in America that processes data on an industrial scale - Amazon, Google, Apple, Yahoo, MS, etc, etc. who has to turn their server access over to the American Government. I have given up using Google too...!

But I quite like the idea of having a false name and a hotmail account to get on to FB. At least I would be spared being contacted by all sorts of people I never wanted to meet again!!

[badger5]

This is a very interesting thread, especially to see many peoples response to FB and clubs that have their own websites.
If no one in the club is able or have the time to produce a website then it is quite costly to have someone else produce and maintain the site. Even if this can be done in house there are still costs involved. This is money that clubs either don't have or can be used in a more constructive way.
Our website has had the Google analytics from the last three months show some interesting things. We've had very few hits in the last three months, and nearly all visits to the site are for the results page. The pages that people have spent hours producing are hardly ever seen, even when links are posted on oOple. And our website is one if the more professional and complete ones out there.

Facebook is a very convient free platform for clubs to communicate with racers and to reach out to the general public in a way that dedicated websites and oOple cannot do. Reviews, pictures and race reports can be quickly uploaded in a user friendly interface and much easier and convinient than Wordpress for most.
At the end of the day the world we live in today is used to having information that is very easy to access and in your face, many people will not search for it but expect everything they want to find in a central location.

What I see is Facebook is a dry useful tool to advertise our club and keep racers updated with our events and news.

[mark christopher]

Originally Posted by SlowOne

True, and lots of it through your loyalty cards, credit cards, bank transactions, Paypal, etc. as well as your internet activity. Although tyre choice isn't that interesting to HMG!!

I didn't say that it was only Facebook. To turn your usual reply back on you, Mark, read my post! I said I didn't want to be on A company that shares its data with the USG. It is any company registered in America that processes data on an industrial scale - Amazon, Google, Apple, Yahoo, MS, etc, etc. who has to turn their server access over to the American Government. I have given up using Google too...!

But I quite like the idea of having a false name and a hotmail account to get on to FB. At least I would be spared being contacted by all sorts of people I never wanted to meet again!!

And your false name will get you banned and removed from the gt12 page......life's a bitch lol