Council updates

[Darren Wales]

I have started this new thread to post all communications I have with the council.

These are messages from earlier today (20.3.12) after an update from Roger. I mentioned we as a club are not happy with the limited and restricted parking being offered in the councils latest plans.
http://www.bmrcc.co.uk/images/Parking.pdf

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Lianne,

Having shown the proposed parking plans on the map you forwarded to me last week to the club members, we as a club remain very dissapointed at the plans thus far.

I appreciate that you have passed on my previous response on March 15th, however i have had no response from the person to whom you have forwarded them too.
I feel it only appropriate to mention at this time that the club are presently looking at alternate locations to race.

The club was founded and has existed in Bury for many years and it would be a shame for it to move outside of the town, but members have located options outside of Bury where the essential parking is available.
I personally would like to see the club continue to grow in it's current location, but the members will ultimately decide if the parking issue remains as is.

Could I request a meeting with whom it is that can authorise any improved parking facilities, to those already proposed? with a view to preventing the club actually relocating!

In anticipation

Mr Darren Wales
Chairman
BMRCC

[Darren Wales]

Hi Darren
Please could you confirm what exactly the club is looking for?
As far as I am aware there was no dedicated parking area previously so the proposal is an improvement on previous arrangements. There is also still the large main car park which has always been available and will continue to be.
We would of course be sorry to lose the club but I doubt we could provide your own 40 car area as you mentioned in a previous email.

Lianne

Lianne M. Dooley
Leisure Facilities Development Manager
3 Knowsley Place, Duke Street, Bury BL9 0EJ.

[Darren Wales]

Lianne,

Before the track was moved, whilst not dedicated, the unused area around the back of the old track provided parking for around 25+ cars.
Consider that the club has doubled its members as a result of the new track, then the need for more parking has doubled with it.

As I have said many times, it is key for security of 1000's of pounds of equipment, for it to be within sight of the drivers. Drivers are unlikely to be happy to leave their valuables on the main car park, as they rightly fear theft and we do not want to increase crime in the area and we will lose valuable members.

Whilst we acknowledge that the new track was provided to us by way of compensation for the old one, it appears the positioning and parking needs were not sufficiently considered. This I fear was due to a lack of consultation at that point.

I have been in consultation with yourselves from the moment I took over the Chairman role and discovered that no parking provision were being considered. I fully appreciate the council does not have endless funds to give every club what it desires, but our club has expanded along with our needs.

As I said on the day we met at the track, the area between the new building and our track is ideal for parking and our needs. We do not necessarily need dedicated parking, excluding all others, as I would seek to simply ask the other clubs to avoid using the spaces on Sunday race days.
This area is more than capable of providing sufficient parking well away from the nearest football pitch. The plans shown simply grass it over which is in our view a complete waste of what we see as the BEST space on the site for our parking needs.

Can I not meet directly with the site manager to at least discuss why this area is simply being grassed over?

In anticipation

Darren

[Darren Wales]

I have had a chat with the architect and the director and at this moment there is nothing additional we can do.
The area you are keen to use has not been identified as parking so in this scheme would not meet the planning criteria. It has been left as green space so would need a separate application if this was to alter.

The best we can do is complete this project – any hold ups now would add additional costs which we cannot afford to pay.
We will then meet with your club and discuss the situation. Any other areas would need a planning application and there would be costs involved but we can consider that at a later date.

I would like to remind the club that there was no parking provided at the previous locations. Cars used to drive on the grass which was not really acceptable. We can only provide what we have proposed as part of the current scheme.

Lianne

Lianne M. Dooley
Leisure Facilities Development Manager
3 Knowsley Place, Duke Street, Bury BL9 0EJ

[Si Coe]

Ok - Green space = somewhere we can pitch tents, just not somewhere we can drive cars.

Many tracks don't have full car access right to the track, we won't be alone in this. We'll just have to park in the main carpark and pit nearer the track as discussed.
Once we have power and.or members get 12V sources the need for close car access is reduced - add some shelter and you don't need the car near at all.

[tisher]

are we allowed to pit all the way around the track border without cars?
if so then there is plenty of space we should just do what we used to back in the day and just get yourself a 12v battery to use thats all i do outside anyway

[The race controller]

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I would like to remind the club that there was no parking provided at the previous locations. Cars used to drive on the grass which was not really acceptable. We can only provide what we have proposed as part of the current scheme.

Lianne

Lianne M. Dooley


I beg to differ but when I took over, all the area between the house and the sports hall had a weed barrier which was covered with stone.
The gymnastics club later put a storage container near the hall. (Where the fire started) and the football put their container next to the house.
I believe also that there was even a drainage sump and pump under it, near the small gate.
Why else would the council have done that if it wasn't for parking?

[The race controller]

Has anyone walked around the track lately?
--------You can't
The ground is so waterlogged there is water standing making your socks wet.

Of all the years I've been doing the club, I can't remember any of our cars who had parked next to the track leaving any damage.
Barbecues burn the grass but the grass grows back in two weeks. Ask the chairman at Bury Football Club.
Damage to the football pitches were done by the locals doing doughnuts.
The most damage I remember was done when the Fairground left the site after some really nasty weather and that was on the slope up to our main gate corner.

[MisterB]

Darren,

You may want to suggest the use of 'Grasscrete' products to form a parking area rather than the grassed area currently proposed by the council. It seems that the council can't budget for a 40 car tarmac area, but you may get some co-operation suggesting an alternative. Grasscrete allows grass to grow through and still allows a surface for vehicles to drive on. It's not too good if the area gets waterlogged though - which would have to be checked out. We use it for access roads on reservoirs etc where the planning conditions dictate that the finished appearance should look like a grass area. Hope this is of use.

http://www.grasscrete.com/docs/paving/index.html

[Darren Wales]

MisterB

Funnily enough, this is what the council are already putting in the original plans and we will have around 12 spaces in the first instance. We are looking at alternative options, which personally will be less expensive for the additional area where we wish to expand into.

Thanks for the suggestion though, we always welcome ideas to help us improve our club.

Darren

Originally Posted by MisterB

Darren,

You may want to suggest the use of 'Grasscrete' products to form a parking area rather than the grassed area currently proposed by the council. It seems that the council can't budget for a 40 car tarmac area, but you may get some co-operation suggesting an alternative. Grasscrete allows grass to grow through and still allows a surface for vehicles to drive on. It's not too good if the area gets waterlogged though - which would have to be checked out. We use it for access roads on reservoirs etc where the planning conditions dictate that the finished appearance should look like a grass area. Hope this is of use.

http://www.grasscrete.com/docs/paving/index.html

[budfish]

What if we have a couple of fund raising events so we could chip in with the council with regards to the extra cost of additional parking . councils all over the country are feeling the squeeze I think they might bend a little more.

Well done Darren,matt,si and roger it certainly looks like our relaitionship with the council is improving due to all of your hard work

Buds

[Si Coe]

Nowt to do with me - all credit must go to Darren there. Whilst he's been building good relations with Bury council, I'm busy trying to blackmail Salford council.....

[coleman758]

I think that's the plan!

We have just been filling fire hoses with small pebbles today.
They look great! And will be perfect. Should half the packing away & setting up times! Because they can be left out, there too damn heavy to get over the fence!

We have about 6 5mtr lengths filled, so we can try them tomorrow.

Tried to give you a bell but your phones off!

[budfish]

Originally Posted by coleman758

I think that's the plan!

We have just been filling fire hoses with small pebbles today.
They look great! And will be perfect. Should half the packing away & setting up times! Because they can be left out, there too damn heavy to get over the fence!

We have about 6 5mtr lengths filled, so we can try them tomorrow.

Tried to give you a bell but your phones off!

Phone is in pieces mate I'm on the I pod the mrs went nuts when I didn't come home untill 4am covered in blood and scratches where I took a short cut down a mountin I can't remember shit the wife did one at around 1.30am cos I had my arm round some women in a bar!!!

[The race controller]

Originally Posted by coleman758

I think that's the plan!

We have just been filling fire hoses with small pebbles today.
They look great! And will be perfect. Should half the packing away & setting up times! Because they can be left out, there too damn heavy to get over the fence!

We have about 6 5mtr lengths filled, so we can try them tomorrow.

Tried to give you a bell but your phones off!

What do you mean "We" ?
Only 4 lenths.

Can any-one tell us what happened to the rolls of fire hose we had in the lockup? They seem to have disappeared.