NE regionals 4wd and 2wd on the same day??

Hulk · #1 12-05-2010

Hi,

Just thought id ask, would it be possible to have the rest of our regionals on one day? With the numbers been quite low this year it might be a good idea to have both 2 and 4wd on the same day, preferably on a Sunday as thats when most people are available.

I know the North West do it this way and there numbers are way up this year, with a lot of North East drivers attending their region instead for this exact reason.

With people doing Nationals and some people working Saturdays it takes up most of your weekends throughout the summer which could be contributing to the low numbers.

Would like to hear peoples opinions on this?

Craig Collinson

Chequered Flag Racing · #2 12-05-2010

I'd like them during the week due to shift work never mind Saturday's & Sunday's

phil c · #3 12-05-2010

As craig has put I to am doing the north west because they are doing both classes on one day , I work most Saturdays so racing both classes on one day suits me perfectly

chrispattinson · #4 12-05-2010

I think 2 classes in one day is too much.

With the minimum 1 hour between rounds (which unfortunately was dismissed at Batley for weather reasons), then a track change, and then another class to be run.... it doesnt sound like a relaxing days racing.

Maybe the NW guys can voice the opinion of how their meetings pan out.

It's probably too late to amend the series for this year, as lots of stuff ahs been organised already for two day events.

Hulk · #5 12-05-2010

Hear what your saying Chris, but ive raced as a guest at two of the North West regional series this year and it was very relaxed. They had 12 heats giving you plenty of time to charge lipo's, get your cars ready and even have time to chill out inbetween races.

It is nice to get away for the weekend but if you have other commitments such as work, family etc and doing Nationals along with other meetings, makes for a very busy calendar.

Like ive mentioned we have lost quite a few top drivers from our region to the North West, and after speaking to quite a few of these drivers its mainly down to not having enough time to give up whole weekends. You can still have the fun of getting away for the weekend by camping over on the Saturday night.

Just thinking it might be a way to get numbers back up.

cmgreen · #6 12-05-2010

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Originally Posted by Hulk

Hi,

, with a lot of North East drivers attending their region instead for this exact reason.

I thought it was cos there is two national tracks in the nw region this year any many ne drivers doing the nw region for practice, which makes sense.

Or may be the numbers are low the ne region cos most of the tracks are too far north for some................ e.g morpeth/south shields/teeside.

Hulk · #7 12-05-2010

Yeh that may have something to do with it aswell, but from what ive heard the main reason is because both classes are on the same day which takes up less of your weekend.

cmgreen · #8 12-05-2010

But the year before there was 2 day regionals and there was plenty of people turning up.

I agree in a way and then disagree, just because of time constraints and switching from one class to another. I was glad i didnt enter the non regional class at batley 2wd cos i would of been rushed.
May be we could try it for one and see what happens, we could even try it at batley this year for the 4wd, running 2wd non regional class.

Hulk · #9 12-05-2010

Yeh you would have been rushed as there was only one non regional heat at batley.

If you have both 'regional' classes on the same day there would be around 10 or 11 heats instead of 6 like there was at Batley. This would then give you plenty of time inbetween races.

Hulk · #10 12-05-2010

Oh yeh and we ran both classes at our North East indoor regional series for years and that was never a problem.

bigred5765 · #11 12-05-2010

When you consider the cost of fuel and traveling now, it makes perfect sense to run both classes in one day, you will always have more people turn up and race, and as stated those doing both classes booking twice so no loses and win win, which is always good for any region.

cmgreen · #12 12-05-2010

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Originally Posted by Hulk

Oh yeh and we ran both classes at our North East indoor regional series for years and that was never a problem.

Fair point, so how about suggesting it for batley this year as a test, do 4wd regional and 2wd non regional? As chris P said its too late to change for this year. We have to try a do somthing if the numbers are going to be low year on year. If i remember one year all the regionals were set on a sunday so there were no 2 day events, how about that one??

chrispattinson · #13 12-05-2010

Im starting to think it's a really good idea to have both classes on one day.
What are other people's opinions?

dmsykes · #14 12-05-2010

Hi Guys

It is nice to have 2 day meets, especially if the travel distance is long as it can be in our region. On the 2 day meets you can get there on Friday after work, be relaxed for Saturday, Sunday can be a bit busy as you race and then have to drive home. l would still like to see 2 day meets, I know that some people work Saturdays and that can be a problem, that's why the 2wd & 4wd days are alternated. But if you have a long day on Sunday with both events and combine that with a long drive in one or both directions their could be a lot tried people for Monday work.

Just my thoughts and am sure everyone has their own.

Kash · #15 12-05-2010

If numbers are low then it does make sense to run both classes on one day.. Which I presume is why the NW started doing it??
There may be negatives to this i.e
Would some of the clubs be able to hold a one day event?
ie Teesside/Jarrow etc? where they don't have a permanent venue?

There are also a number of people who don't do Nationals so doing 2 days is what they would prefer it makes for a relaxing weekend and better atmosphere.

+/- for both really

Craig I think it's something that you should bring up Peter Ellis

Hulk · #16 12-05-2010

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Originally Posted by cmgreen

Fair point, so how about suggesting it for batley this year as a test, do 4wd regional and 2wd non regional? As chris P said its too late to change for this year. We have to try a do somthing if the numbers are going to be low year on year. If i remember one year all the regionals were set on a sunday so there were no 2 day events, how about that one??

The only problem with trying that is you can't guarantee enough people will want to run in a non regional class (no incentive to do so if your not racing for points towards the series), so this wont give a true reflection as to how much time you have inbetween races etc.

The only way to do it is actually try it for the next regional.

You could have all the regionals on a Sunday but again this would take up 10 Sundays throughout the summer which impacts smaller clubs wanting to maintain regular cleb meetings, which is essential for the survival of their club and our hobby. Therefore having both classes on one day seems like the ideal solution. I for one would rather have a full days racing rather than drawing it out for a whole weekend with only 5 or 6 heats on each day. Last time at batley we were finished by around 3:30!!

Hulk · #17 12-05-2010

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Originally Posted by dmsykes

Hi Guys

It is nice to have 2 day meets, especially if the travel distance is long as it can be in our region. On the 2 day meets you can get there on Friday after work, be relaxed for Saturday, Sunday can be a bit busy as you race and then have to drive home. l would still like to see 2 day meets, I know that some people work Saturdays and that can be a problem, that's why the 2wd & 4wd days are alternated. But if you have a long day on Sunday with both events and combine that with a long drive in one or both directions their could be a lot tried people for Monday work.

Just my thoughts and am sure everyone has their own.

But then again if you had both classes on one day you could get home from work on a Friday, spend time with your friends/family, have a nice sleep in on Saturday morning, set off to teh venue Saturday afternoon/evening, chill out Sat night with everyone and have a great days racing on Sunday!

Im just trying to look at which is the best way to bring the numbers up slightly. Lots of people have family or nagging girlfriends that wont allow them to go away all weekend to race toy cars lol. Racing on the one day might enable a lot of racers to compete in both 2 and 4wd throughout the entire series instead of having to miss certain meetings due to work or other commitments they may have on Saturdays.

Mike Parker · #18 12-05-2010

Yeah I think running two classes during a regional event has its advantages, would free up time & also money.... Could be worth considering, maybe not this year but going forward into 2011....

Mike P.

N7ELA · #19 12-05-2010

I wasn't even aware the north west guys did this.

I think it's a great idea Craig. It'll be a bit like worksop indoors which I think is fantastic.

What if some people were doing 2 and 4 wheel drive and some people were only doing 2 or 4 wd. Wouldn't the people doing 1 class complain as they weren't getting as much track time...?

I thought this was why we always had to run a different track when doing two classes on a regional weekend....?

Hulk · #20 12-05-2010

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Originally Posted by N7ELA

I wasn't even aware the north west guys did this.

I think it's a great idea Craig. It'll be a bit like worksop indoors which I think is fantastic.

What if some people were doing 2 and 4 wheel drive and some people were only doing 2 or 4 wd. Wouldn't the people doing 1 class complain as they weren't getting as much track time...?

I thought this was why we always had to run a different track when doing two classes on a regional weekend....?

Guess you cant please everyone, but if everyone has the option of doing both classes there shouldnt really be any complaints.

The North West do it this way and from the two meetings ive attended as a guest there were no comlaints at all.

At the end of the day we do this for fun so does it really matter if your only doing one class. I dont really think you gain much of an advantage anyway as a 2wd handles completely different to 4wd. if anything people doing both classes might be at a slight disadvantage as you have to adapt from one class to the other. When racing both at worksop it takes me a good few laps to get used to going from 4wd to 2 and takes a few laps to realise you cant drive into corners at 100mph!

You could already argue that they way things are at the moment, you can already race your opposite class in the non regional heat so its no different really.