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Old 26-03-2008
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They did try an electric mx bike chris. It was very fast and light, but as you say, it never had that nice 2 or 4 stroke noise so it never took off (and it was bloody pricey). I like the idea of an 8th leccy car and would be interested in giving one a whirl!!! Bit more robust and loooooonnnngg runtimes apeal to me
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Old 27-03-2008
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The only reason we are not all riding electric motocross bikes yet is because the technology isn't there yet. The logistics of running and charging electric bikes are the limiting factor, not the fact that people would miss the noise (although I'm sure a few will!).

There are electric off road bikes being developed and they are starting to be seen in places but bang for buck it's not quite there yet.

I personally believe brushless buggies are the future whatever the scale. They are clean, easy to maintain and easy to understand. You don't 'need' 2 x 8000mah packs to make em run, these guys are extreme examples but you do need more volts than on 10th scale.

Jonathan - I would like to be the first to order an S8 please mate
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I personally believe brushless buggies are the future whatever the scale. They are clean, easy to maintain and easy to understand. You don't 'need' 2 x 8000mah packs to make em run, these guys are extreme examples but you do need more volts than on 10th scale.

Jonathan - I would like to be the first to order an S8 please mate
Its early days yet, but things like length of race's / finals etc would be handy to know so you can build the car around the lipo you are going to need, been looking at a 30c 4s (14.8v) 4500, i understand that would be good for 10-15 minutes maybe.

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this picture was taken at coventry on 26th nov 2006!!! bit before lipo's but still very quick!
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The brakes thing is fairly easy I guess - the Schumacher Menace GTRe 'thing' had a free wheel system via a one way bearing that decoupled the motor on overrun so that you still had a mechanical brake. Perhaps when you do the initial setup on the esc you could set the full brake position at 100 percent then turn brake end point down to zero. That should make a fwd and no brake set up - or am I wrong?

Perhaps a heat of J82 cars would be an easier solution -although not as tough as an RX buggy.
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I love the idea - mainly just the thought of a reallly strong robust powerful 1/10th buggy I suppose - Racing on the 1/8th tracks would be awesome but you could also run them on a lot of the 1/10th Tracks!

Just imagine the jumps and huuuuge air - can only think how cool it would be and for someone that's only ever raced electric it saves a lot of hassle / time / money / maintenance plus not having to start off learning all about engines and how to tune them etc....

The other thing for me is how many people fail at 8th races due to cuts?? In 1/10th it's pretty rare to drop out other then breaking your car (which usually is driver error) so i guess that part could be more appealing to some people too??

You could still maintain pit stops if you had to change cells at least once in a race or something too!
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All the videos ive seen of electric 8th look ace, but it seems way expensive to convert a buggy with the huge motor and lipos needed??
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Probably no more then a few gallons of fuel and a decent engine?? I guess the other thing is that it should last you years really.....
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i like the idea of no pit mate, that way people like me(no mates ) could still go racing alone
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Yeah i found getting off the rostrum and refuelling your own car to be hard work let alone time consuming.

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although i love the 1/8th scene especialy as its the most popular class at the mo , i would like to have ago with a lecy 1/8th.
i just dont want to see the gas 1/8ths disapear ( i dont think they will ) as its the noise and smell that appeals to me , i have raced electric ( as a second class ) and its far too quiet sure you get to hear the crowds reaction but that dont matter to the likes of me or 95% of the drivers out there , 1/8th gas is king !!!!! long live 1/8th gas
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Nope brushless is much more cost than nitro. Just for some decent lipo cells alone you are talking the same price as a top notch engine, then add a motor and ESC. The idea of pit mates is something I think that makes nitro good for the social side. You are forced to make friends, especially when you do big meetings with christmas tree finals and you need 1 person to marshal your point and 1 or 2 people pitting for you.

I have meet many people in RC this way when people in my usual racing crowd are busy pitting for others, it just forces you to socialise with people you wouldn't ordinarily. But electric is quieter, so has the social side there.

But yeah, more cost, a lot more. But you get simplicity. Engines are usually good, about 80% of the time, but the 20% of the time they cause hassle it gets REALLY frustrating. Electric 10th is just too weak. You can imagine at a track like the Neo, something nice and big, you would need at least a 7 turn motor to match the speed of rallycross. And at that speed the smallest scrape with anything would snap anything in half.

So yes, electric in 8th scale buggies seems the future. It's certainly not new, a guy has done it down my local club for years now. It's just getting popularity to race on a bigger scale. If people are interested I say start converting buggies, so we can start racing
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Electric 10th is just too weak. You can imagine at a track like the Neo, something nice and big, you would need at least a 7 turn motor to match the speed of rallycross. And at that speed the smallest scrape with anything would snap anything in half.
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I can agree with the weakness, but certainly not the speed.
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Agreed mr doughty.
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I'm with Griff on the no pit stop thing ...... that is the reason I had to stop racing 1/8th ..... no pit crew meant it was about as much fun as doing a full days work at a job you hate, going to the dentist for major work then going straight into another full shift at a job you hate even more than the first one!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I loved racing the 1/8th cars but it is totally impossible to have a good day if you show up on your own ..... spend most of the pre-race meeting trying to find somebody to help you then having to deal with somebody different who doesn't know your car each and every meeting!!!

Just made it feel like work too much

Leccy 1/8th best of both worlds..... ????????
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Id be very tempted by 8th leccy. The main reason for me not running Nitro is all my work is done in the kitchen - and I wouldn't want to work on a Nitro car in there like I would need to. Leccy changes this.
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They did try an electric mx bike chris. It was very fast and light, but as you say, it never had that nice 2 or 4 stroke noise so it never took off (and it was bloody pricey). I like the idea of an 8th leccy car and would be interested in giving one a whirl!!! Bit more robust and loooooonnnngg runtimes apeal to me
Motocross bikes sound cool though, especially off the line when there's 30 of them - I have to say Nitro buggies reallllly don't do it for me noise wise - they're more like Bee's rattling around in a tin - nowhere near as nice as the old 125, 250 and 500 2-stroke crossers - i still love that sound now!
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I agree nick the 2 strokes sound sexy, the 4 strokes just dont sound as good



Also with nitro cars, i hate the way the fuel just covers one side of the car and all the sh!t sticks to it. Ill probably still have another go with them in the near future even though 10th is so much faster and better in every way.


I would love to see a supercross track here in the uk for 10th though
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I agree nick the 2 strokes sound sexy, the 4 strokes just dont sound as good



Also with nitro cars, i hate the way the fuel just covers one side of the car and all the sh!t sticks to it. Ill probably still have another go with them in the near future even though 10th is so much faster and better in every way.


I would love to see a supercross track here in the uk for 10th though
Why don't any of the 8th cars have rear exit exhausts?
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