X6 updates?

[/tobys]

I know you guys are working hard on the X7 4wd but can we expect any updates to the X6? Lots of new mid-motored cars coming out and likely to raise the bar in performance stakes...

[Darren Boyle]

Originally Posted by /tobys

I know you guys are working hard on the X7 4wd but can we expect any updates to the X6? Lots of new mid-motored cars coming out and likely to raise the bar in performance stakes...

Always working away behind the scenes on all of our products

However, the X7 is taking up the "vast" majority of time and resources (both human and financial) right time which is quite obvious really.

Dont expect a complete makeover or revolution for the X6 but just maybe a small subtle change here and there in the not too distant future.......... maybe.......

[YoungChazz]

There's not much point to change a great car for the sake of change. Heck, the original X - 6 is still as fast as anything out there; the primary reason for the Squared was to improve quality and ease of working on the car.

As Darren says, that does not mean we have no ideas to improve the car. We do have ideas, and have tested some. But also as Darren says, there are no plans at present to make any major changes to the X - 6 Squared. You can buy an X - 6 Sq with confidence. We will not soon change it because it's still the best car out there.

[canon67]

Originally Posted by DMS Racing

Always working away behind the scenes on all of our products

However, the X7 is taking up the "vast" majority of time and resources (both human and financial) right time which is quite obvious really.

Dont expect a complete makeover or revolution for the X6 but just maybe a small subtle change here and there in the not too distant future.......... maybe.......

Whit all the hype on long wheel base going on have you guys tried this in the past or do you intend of trying this option

[YoungChazz]

Brian Kinwald started the long chassis craze 2 1/2 years ago when he drove for us by lengthening his X - 6. Later he decided the first version was too long and made a second one shorter than the first but 5mm longer than stock. Paul had a 5mm chassis at the 2009 R.O.A.R. Nationals. He destroyed the car in a monster crash at full speed on the back straight. Kinwald continued to run his "limo" until we parted company early this year.

Paul has been running the stock chassis ever since with excellent results, and all other Team drivers, including Ellis, have always used only production chassies. They all know about Kinwald's "limo," and the pros & cons have been discussed throughout the Team. All drivers are free to do as they see fit, and so far all have used only production chassies.

The "limo" suited Kinwald, so if you can drive like a World Champ it might suit you, but our experience indicates most other drivers will do quite well with the standard X - 6 Sq chassis.

Did Ellis modify his Squared to accept saddle LiPos? Yes, and that chassis, part #1009, is available at fine model shops everywhere. For tuning purposes, you have your choice of three chassies for the X - 6 Squared: #1005 graphite standard in the K019 Conversion Kit, #1006 plastic standard in the K021 Entire Car, and #1009 LiPo plastic available as a part.

[andys]

I personally believe that a new chassis - that's slim across the middle, with a new slimmer body would be VERY popular indeed.

All 3 chassis's are 'fat' due to the original design needing to accept a full length NIMH pack - sideways across the chassis.

Keeping the same layout - but making a slim chassis with a slim body would appeal to every X6 racer ? IMO the cars look a little silly alongside the slim modern LIPO specific chassis cars we have now.

Don't get me wrong - I'm still quicker with my X6 than my Losi 22 and I love the car - I just hate how it looks compared with newer cars that are designed around today's electrics.

[Darren Boyle]

Originally Posted by andys

I personally believe that a new chassis - that's slim across the middle, with a new slimmer body would be VERY popular indeed.

All 3 chassis's are 'fat' due to the original design needing to accept a full length NIMH pack - sideways across the chassis.

Keeping the same layout - but making a slim chassis with a slim body would appeal to every X6 racer ? IMO the cars look a little silly alongside the slim modern LIPO specific chassis cars we have now.

Don't get me wrong - I'm still quicker with my X6 than my Losi 22 and I love the car - I just hate how it looks compared with newer cars that are designed around today's electrics.

But.........

Some people and some tracks will be (and still are) suited better to the full size stick across the middle. We have customers frequently telling us that for their driving and their local track that stick across the width still suits them best, by going "slim" we cannot do this just like all the "other" slim cars out there right now that dont have that option either.

Currently, in my opinion, we do have the best of all options, we can run stumpy packs if required, stick or saddle across the middle and of course saddles centrally mounted too, not many other 2wd's cater for this at present and also bare in mind as great as some of the other (UK based) 2wd conversions are, they have NOT been designed or run on dirt as much as the X6 has, where this option is still very useful at times.....

Another intersting point is that a lot of people think the X6 is mega wide, in fact it is exactly the same width as the B4 which surprises a lot of people.

[andys]

Originally Posted by andys

I personally believe that a new chassis - that's slim across the middle, with a new slimmer body would be VERY popular indeed.

All 3 chassis's are 'fat' due to the original design needing to accept a full length NIMH pack - sideways across the chassis.

Keeping the same layout - but making a slim chassis with a slim body would appeal to every X6 racer ? IMO the cars look a little silly alongside the slim modern LIPO specific chassis cars we have now.

Don't get me wrong - I'm still quicker with my X6 than my Losi 22 and I love the car - I just hate how it looks compared with newer cars that are designed around today's electrics.

Looks like they finally delivered with the cubed

[janus_77]

Originally Posted by YoungChazz

Brian Kinwald started the long chassis craze 2 1/2 years ago when he drove for us by lengthening his X - 6. Later he decided the first version was too long and made a second one shorter than the first but 5mm longer than stock. Paul had a 5mm chassis at the 2009 R.O.A.R. Nationals. He destroyed the car in a monster crash at full speed on the back straight. Kinwald continued to run his "limo" until we parted company early this year.

Paul has been running the stock chassis ever since with excellent results, and all other Team drivers, including Ellis, have always used only production chassies. They all know about Kinwald's "limo," and the pros & cons have been discussed throughout the Team. All drivers are free to do as they see fit, and so far all have used only production chassies.

The "limo" suited Kinwald, so if you can drive like a World Champ it might suit you, but our experience indicates most other drivers will do quite well with the standard X - 6 Sq chassis.

Ok for all those who want to make a quick test of a 5mm longer car. But who hate to use inlines with the caster block shimmed forward ( my personal favorite )

Just reverse the caster blocks, this will make your car a bit longer.



It's not totally "plug-and-play" but easy enough to do:

• if you run 30 deg. (+5deg) you need to use 20deg. (-5deg) caster to keep the same caster setting ( you're reversing them remember ! ) -
  25deg ( 0deg ) you can just swap over.
• Cut a small amount of the (now ) backside of the caster block to keep the same steering amount ( see "X6+5 (5)" caster block on the right side )
• Cut a small amount of your suspension arm to keep the steering block from binding on the arm when steering ( same as you would with running inlines in the long position, which btw also adds about 5mm if you want to go even longer ).
• add about 15/20 grams under the steering rack to keep the same weight distribution.
• always run your steering block low, to compensate for the height difference.
• readjust toe- / cambersettings and EPA (Duh.....)

that's all you need to do.

Note-1: it does weaken the front a little, so I'm assuming you (sort-of) know how to drive
Note-2: also works on the B4

[jaxx]

I am a club racer who gets to play once a month, i have one orca big fat stick pack and that fits nicely with the raisey bits and lasts 2 runs before a charge. My car handles as well as i can drive it, i have a base set up- thanks to ellis.... That will do for me. It puts a frigging huge smile on my face when i finish my 5 minutes. I bought the x6 to do that and it delivers. When i purchased it other kits were available but i felt this was the best available and i still believe it is for a club racer. The service from dms is FANTASTIC, when something arrives next morning when you pay for it at 6-7 pm.
I am glad i'm in the family

I think the family got it right and little upgrades are a bonus.

I have also run out of stickers lol......

[YoungChazz]

@ Andy. Obviously we'll not discuss sales figures. In the world-wide R/C market, U.K. accounts for 15 - 20% of the total, and X Factory U.K. does a great job for us. Even if U.K. were 50% of X Factory's market, there is no way we could invest in a new chassis tool if U.K. were the primary market.

@ Stuart. Glad you are happy, and good to have you in the Family. Sorry to hear about your chassis luck. Are you running graphite or plastic?

@ Adey. Several drivers have centered the motor. The motor is deliberately off-center just a bit so the total mass of motor, trans, motor plate, and slipper assy. is centered. If you center the motor, you center that rotating mass but the total mass is now off-center. The disadvantage of off-center motor rotor is less than the advantage of total weight centered. The drivers who moved their motors have returned to standard.

@ Dbizzle. The truck chassis is just too long on all counts. Short wishbones, small tires, it just doesn't work as a buggy. The AE and Kyosho drivers all could have used truck chassies at the Worlds, but none did. They all did a lot of extra work to use lengthened buggy chassies. I don't know how long, but I do know that 5mm seems to work best for the X - 6 Sq. Your friend probably would have been quicker with a standard buggy chassis than a truck.

@ MRD & Jaxx, Thank you. We're glad to have you in the Family!

[Nic And]

Recently i made a move from a B4 and convert it to Xfactory

After 2 races i am happy about my choice cause the car is very stable and can keep better average laps

At last Euro Ellis was the only mid-motor on the final and in front of all those slim looking new cars

The track had a low bite clay surface and most a final cars had lengthened chassis

That has to prove a lot about the design

[andys]

@Chazz.

Thanks for the info, I thought the UK would be more than 20% of your sales, learn something new everyday !

[Darren Boyle]

Compared to all the countries in the world 20% is a huge chunk for the tiny little UK market. If you consider alomost each state in the US is the size of the UK, the overall number of racers in the US far outweighs most of the other worldwide countries thrown together and that is before you look at some of the other areas that are very prominent in RC such as the far east and other large EU countries too.