Team Associated B44 .vs Kyosho Lazer ZX-5 SP
 

Hi!

Which one is the best?:confused:
Ass B44 or Lazer ZX-5?
Which one, do win the most races?

-Even

This is going to be a very difficult discussion as your going to find it hard to find people who have driven both, on a range of surfaces, who don't have a tie to either car.

The two cars are very different to drive, the B44 being quite edgey and direct and the ZX5-SP being a much more neutral and docile car. Which you prefer depends on how you like a car to feel and your driving style.

As for winning there is little support in terms of a team for Kyosho electric off-road in Europe where as you will see drivers supported to one level or another with B44s at every event. On shere numbers the B44 will win more in Europe, also AE are willing to support the very best drivers in the style they have become acustomed which Kyosho don't seem to do in Europe .... again this means that the B44 is more likely to make it to the top step due to driver tallent (Schumy would have one GPs in a Red Bull ..... that sort of thing).
When you consider the USA and Japan you will find many supported drivers who are capable of showing the true potential of the Kyosho cars.


Personally I can not get on with any of the cars with the weight as far back as the B44, it just doesn't work for me at all.

My advice is to try and get a drive on a well set-up "average drivers" car for both chassis and make a judgement based on that.
My ZX5-SP is always available for people to try .... most people have liked it so far.

Had both Lazer couldnt get on with at all. B44 cracking straight out of the box.
There thats my opinion some people will beg to differ :p

Neither. xx4!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

A

Having not tried a lazer but seeing them going round a track i would have to go for the b44, i think the b44 is a naturally quick car (like the bj4) whilst the lazer seems lazy but very easy to drive.

Thats my opinion, again, some may disagree

Daz ... was that a zx5 or ZX5-SP??? The cars are VERY different to drive!!!

You might be right there Lee, if you can get a clean 5 min run out of the B44 it will have been a quick run ...... I wouldn't have been able to push a B44 for 5 mins without several mistakes costing me loads more than I'd gain in the other laps.
The ZX5-SP is easy to drive clean (so long as your not driving like a muppet like I was a Kiddy .... didn't really want to be there by R2) for 5 mins so although each lap may be a fraction down on a B44 the overall will be better.

As I say, they are very different cars ...... it's what suits the individual that matters.

Yeah it was a zx5 my apologies, havnt drove a sp version even tho i dont think it would swing me to getting a lazer. Now the herd moving on to the b44 (like me) it makes sense to go with the flow.

As for the xx4 Ash ive owned one for 2 years, there where and still are a cracking drive. But i wanted a change.

There is loads of 4wd`s out at the mo, go with what you can afford and easily get spares for.

Thanks for helping, guys!

It seems to that the B44 will be the best buggy for competitions.
I really don't like all the plastic parts on the ZX-5 SP!

But I do have a Tamiya TB02, and it uses stickpacks, so it would be nice to use the same batterypacks.

But rcmart do have a special offer for the single cells. (30 cells, 30 battery bars and some other free gifts) For about 160 USD, so I can solder them by my self instead of buying lots of expensive saddlepacks.

I also looked at the Team Academy SBV2 PRO!: D

It looks pretty cool!
http://www.modelrectifier.com/search...ew.asp?ID=7743

And it can use regular stickpacks!:)

If you're in the USA it's maybe an option but I'm not sure where else they are sold? I don't think the UK has them, but I could be wrong.

[quote=Ev1er;122159]Thanks for helping, guys!

It seems to that the B44 will be the best buggy for competitions.
I really don't like all the plastic parts on the ZX-5 SP!

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some of the parts on the B44 arent too amazing though...

thing is with the kyosho, you can use lipos more easily.. and lipos will, i think turn out cheaper to run than saddles, and hopefully be legal next year...

i have never driven a Kyosho so i cant really comment, but i did like my B44 for the one week i ran it..

Get a pred!! :p

hmm..

If i choose the Team academey, I will just order it from USA!

Both the B44 and the Lazer ZX-5, will I order from rcmart or a store in the US!

It is not a problem if the SBV2 is not for sale in Norway.

I will order eather car from the internet.

yeah it's not just about being able to buy it (or get parts) but also if others are racing it locally so you can get help. It's nice to race a car and know if you break it you might be able to borrow a part for instance.

If you want to use stick packs how about the origonal BJ4?

Pretty much as bullet proof as you can get and all the small parts (screws, drive pins ect) are all backwards compatible with AE cars. It's basically the same as the current Worlds Edition with a different chassis layout and slightly different steering geometry :)

That BJ4 is in another price class:)

Maybe I can convert my TB02 to use Saddlepacks!?

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i have never driven a Kyosho so i cant really comment, but i did like my B44 for the one week i ran it..

Get a pred!! :p[/quote]

Only the really good racers can tame a pred.:blush:
And Wesinator is the only one in my hometown that has one now.
Josh R. sold his pred, said it was way too finicky on the turns.:bored:
I admit it's a super cool looking R/C ride, just not for some drivers.
And whats up with the special rims you must buy for it....weird..
At the cactus classic race on youtube right now the winner of the
Losi vs Tamiya race was of course the Tamiya.

As for me...B44:p
The lazer is a nice ride...but like the post above it's too plasticky for my tastes.

Fantastic post;)

How is the wesinator, is he still keeping it gangster:confused:

I didnt even know Josh R had one?

Amazing, everyday is a school day with you:D

Does that make me a really good racer :wub:wub:wub:wub

G

B44 all the way!
 

wow, the B44 definately seems to be the best buggy!: D
:thumbsup:

I guess I will go with that one:)

btw, I really appreciate your quick replies!

-Even

Must do G' ....... to have run a Pred for 8+ years I must be better than I think I am (which after the last couple of duff meetigns wouldn't be hard!!)

I ran it for over 10 years :D

G

I ran a Kyosho ZX-5 (non SP version) for a season and loved it. Great car it was but I got over excited and ordered the B44 as soon as it was available. At first I was quite dissapointed in the B44 and thought that I had made a mistake because the B44 was totally different to the car I enjoyed driving and as a last ditched attempt I got myself a front one way diff for it. It changed the B44 into a superb race monster! In a different class to the old ZX-5. I've not tried the B44 with the normal diff again but I think driving style has adapted anyways so my vote goes to the B44 all the way.

Never driven the ZX-5 SP so can't comment on that. I am starting to get the idea that Roger might like his :D :D

Why not get a durga burger better car than the zx5sp cheaper than the b44 cheaper than most cars and takes stick packs so is lipo proof.

A

List!
 

http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/d...uggypackUS.jpg

What do you guys think?
Looking good?

-Even

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B44 everytime - no comparison, and if you dont like the B44 convert it to a S44

or a mid44:D

zx5 for me as I use lipo stick packs and its nice and easy to drive.

havent tried a bj4 or a b44 yet wouldnt want a belt drive car

B44's are shaft drive though :eh?:

I voted for the Kyosho. I have raced them for the last few years and from what I have seen, they are much tougher than the AE. That said though, I blieve Associated are addressing the issues with the top plates.
Kyosho had a bit of a weak spot with the c-hubs on the original ZX-5 but the SP version has changed the design and now appears to be much stronger.
I would also look at the Hotbodies D4 as an option aswell. It has great strength and fantastic handling and has also dropped in price to £200. Certainly worth considering.

:eh?: So what make a durga better than a zx5-sp then? Certainly not its plastic shocks and diff outputs!

Or shock towers or lack of slipper clutch.

for me theres no competition between the two b44 all the way!

Well it is all down to personal preference really, some may like how one car feels compared to the other, or they may like the fact that spares may be easyer to get a hold of, which can make it less hassle if you break something. I voted for the B44 by the way. :)

After 8 long months of running the B44, parts are starting to break.

Didnt break any arms however in a month or so.

If that T4 didnt plow into my B44 it would still be intact...:(

The B44 is meant to last, and it outlasted me for this long.

Be sure to replace broken parts on it perodically and you'll be fine.

So, how do the B44 compare to your tamiya buggy? :)

-Ev1er

I find, say, a broken front arm really kills the handling...... :cry:

G

Its not really that the B44 is weak then is it, it got hit by a TRUCK:p

How do the BJ4 compare to the B44?

Which one is the best?
What is the difference?

neither car is 'the best' it's down to personal preference of which one you can drive better, the bj4 has alot more alloy parts as standard and doesnt have an ajustable slipper where the b44 does, but they both handle in a very similar way as they are almost identicle, i do think the b44 gearbox's and gear meshing is more reliable though as i've seen many diff gear's strip the bj4