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....what a great race!...a shame that alonso made the switch to rain tires one lap to late, would have been nice to see him on the podium....

shame about Raikkonen though, he drove a good race until he binned it.

hats off to Lewis; what a drive in the wet!

and Heidfeld who made up about 7 places on those last laps!

fantastic race :D

and some of you were saying Formula 1 is boring :thumbsup:

Really good race towards the end!
Great drive by Lewis at the end, it was brilliant watching him closing the gap to Raikonnen and then his overtaking manouvers. Big shame about Raikonnens crash at the end, he had run such a good race aswell up to that point. Even second would have brought him back into the championship. :)

hiya:thumbsup::thumbsup:

F1 is a joke, Hamiltons been penalised so he is now classified as 3rd. From the way i saw if Raikonnen pushed him wide so he had no other choice but to cut the corner.

well that's insane:thumbdown:

Seems like the FIA have it in for McLaren AGAIN!

was a nail biting last few laps for sure.

Although the McLaren driver appeared to lift off and was repassed by Raikkonen on the exit of the corner, the stewards ruled that he had gained an advantage by short-cutting the circuit.

"The stewards, having received a report from the race director and having met with the drivers and team managers involved, have...determined a breach of the regulations has been committed by the competitor and impose the penalty referred to," said an FIA statement.

Hamilton was deemed to have "cut the chicane and gained an advantage", thereby breaching Article 30.3(a) of the sporting regulations and Appendix L chapter 4 Article 2 (g) of the International Sporting Code.

Did he really have much choice!?

Stewards side.
I think what they are getting at is the fact that although Hamilton had no choice as to cutting the corner, as he was coming out of the second part of the chicane onto the straight, hamilton didnt give Raikonnen a clear advantage [the mclaren being behind the ferrari, as it would have done exiting the corner normally] until after they went over the start/finish line where Hamilton had to move anyway to get a clear run at Corner 1.

Hamiltons side of the argument.
He had no choice as to where he went mid corner due to how Raikonnen positioned his car [which he is entitled to do] and so Hamilton cut the corner meaning he cannot take advantage of the cut. When exitting the corner Hamilton only lifted off a slight bit, and so he didn't get an advantage. Following this he was behind Raikonnen before making his move on the next corner.

My opinion.
I think there was no problem in him cutting the corner. But, Although hamilton did give space to make up for the corner cut, I do agree that he could have lifted off a bit more to give Raikonnnen a clearer advantage to avoid an investigation into it because he could have still made the same move on turn 1 if he had given more room to his opposition. I do however disagree with the penalty and think there shouldn't be one because Raikonnen still crashed out and so there would have been no change in order whether Hamilton had left the bigger gap or not.

he didnt have any choice on where to go. It was either cut the corner or slam into the side of Kimi!!

The whole thing is a farce as Hamilton did what he was suposed to do and surrendered the posistion back.

Lets just hope that mclaren have enough guts to apeal against the decison.

from what i`m led to believe Ferrari are the only team on the fia board:thumbdown:.hmm,im`m sure f1 is rigged in there favour.its not right and they wonder why people dont watch it!!! there are so many decisions that go their way it untrue.should we start an hate the fia/ferrari campaign??:thumbsup:

I hope McLaren campaign aswell. If Ferrari weren't involved in said incident then I bet there wouldn't have even been a campaign :mad:

im gutted in lewis been dropped to 3rd BUT in my veiw its not the corner cut what was the problem it was the way he let him back past he should have just waited even after turn 1 as he was so much quicker he would have got him and then there would have been no investergation

I'm a lifelong F1 and Ferrari Fan, but the course of the last 2 years has made me feel ashamed of the absolute bias and veiled corruption in F1.

Todays ruling is a joke, especially after the also rather strange decision from the post race incident after the last grandprix in which ferrari got off breaking the rules in the pits..

Hamilton deserved the win fair and square, its a joke.

...a shame they "stole" hamiltons win! was all fair on track in my opinion. mclaren should be VERY careful with their actions right now, I would not protest if I were them! incidents in the past showed that protesting can easily worsen the punishment! -> 1 race ban, 10 places grid-drop etc. ....

its stupid cause Raikkonen didn't even finish the race in the end so cutting the chicane didn't make a difference

as much as I am a Hamilton fan, I think that if he didn't slow enough to allow Raikonen a fair lead, and, if anything, over following Raikonen through the chicane, he found hinself far closer to Raikonen, allowing the overtaking manouvre....

I don't think it deserved a 25 second penalty, also, the fact that Raikonen also binned it... and it just so happens to bring Massa within 2 point.... all feels to much like puppets on strings.

Unfortunately for Hamilton Kimi is now in a backup role and can help Massa, Heikki isn't in the same league at the moment so Lewis is on his own to win with the FIA against him, joy. Then they wonder why people think F1 is a crock.

I was chatting to a Ferrari nut this evening, and even he says, it stinks.....

I'm just not going to watch F1 again.

Sad but what is the point when the governing body is so clearly corrupt, who could possibly fix the thing that is supposed to make it fair?

My sentiments exactly, They've penalised hamilton and given the win to someone that wasn't even involved in the incident.

Basically they're favouring ferrari once again.They broke the rules in valencia and the driver got a fine....big deal!

If you cause an 'unavoidable accident' (as koveleinen did) and you get penalised....you 'avoid' an accident, and you get penalised?! Whats that all about?

They can't say that Hamilton didn't give Kimi enough of an advantage, because as they entered the chicane, Hamilton was actually ahead until they got to the apex. So technically hamilton DID hinder himself to give the possision back.

Its ruined what was an awesome last 4 laps...once again!

It all stinks. Anything to stop Ferrari from whingeing.

What has our boy got to do to win this championship?!

I think Mclaren are right to appeal.

sign for ferrari tel:woot:

true, but I think he's already mentioned that he's going to spend his whole F1 career at Mclaren.:thumbdown:

Bad mistake if you ask me. They're good when they're good, but when they're bad......well......

....all I'll say is, remember the time that Blundell and Brundle raced for them?

I think it would do him good to change teams at some point.

What a joke, what advantage did Hamilton have when he had let Raikonnen back past. Where's the stewards enquiry for all the very illegal weaving Kimi did to stop Lewis getting past, when Lewis supposedly had an advantage?
Most importantly why has the investigation come about when Charlie Whiting told Ron that Lewis letting Kimi past was okay, when the race director is supposed to be the one that passes any investigations to the stewards.

So we have a race which ends with proper racing and drivers battling for position, then the FIA decide they don't want any of that happening again. I feel the same. I expect viewing figures for the Monza GP will be a lot smaller than for this race.

Well its a poor decison,

But i couldnt care i just won hell of alot of money with massa winning! :)

i dont know what the FIA have against hamilton but i dont think they will ever let him win the championship:mad::thumbdown:. i'm starting to think F1 is as fake as american wrestling:o

why didn't kimi get a penalty when he ploughed into that car a monaco (force india??)

why didn't kimi get a penalty for hitting hamilton twice, once to push him wide, when lewis took the escape road, once running into the back of him at the next corner.

why wasn't kimi penalised for running off the track, staying outside the bounds of the track, and using that to gain a large speed advantage over lewis, who got back onto the track as soon as he could


Brcause it's a red car

think i might paint my pred red :woot:.................... it is a joke. i stopped taking an active interest with all the crap last year and i have other friends who are both mclaren and ferrari fans alike and after the crap of this weekend will be turning their attention to moto gp instead. like said previously f1 has become as fake as the wwf. shame really as its ment to be the best race series in the world. think itv, bbc and sky should get together and not even bother bidding for the rights to show it next time the contract comes up for renewal, lets see what the fia think of that when there is noone to watch it and noone to sponser it. GP2 was much better as they all want to race and win and every corner is like its their last corner. perhaps itv can concentrate more on that as the racing looked much more fun to watch

naths right...gp2 is a far better! least they try overtaking! at the rate f1 is going lewis should just walk away from it.now that would upset the applecart!

Why are they changing the rules for next year - to improve the show and get more overtaking.

What do they do when someone 'has a go' in tricky conditions remember - throw the rule book at him.

BULLSHIT - that's what I say :mad:

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shouldnt we all be putting this on an f1 forum? :thumbsup:

northy get your sig changed.. :)

at least the time penalty was applied after the race and could *in theory* be overturned.

Why? :confused:

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if i rememember right someone else did a similar move as hamilton about half way through the race as they also had no where to go ..
but nothing has been said about that one ...(cant remember who it was though)

Absolutely spot b***ock on that man - couldn't agree more with anything you're saying Tel!

I think a lot of it is aimed at Ron Dennis, he has a lot of enemies in the FIA i believe. Also the fact whenever things happen Ferrari don't like they threaten to leave, let them leave i say then maybe we can have fair racing instead of the shambles that happened yesterday.

Where was he to go? If he breaked he would of probably lost his wing.

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Spot on Tel; couldn't agree more.

Also in the pics Southwell you can see that if he didn't cut the chicane he would of smashed into the side of Rhaikkonen and put them both out of the race.

Ridiculous in my opinion.

But it's done now...they're unlikely to overturn the penalty.

He may not have got the penalty if he just followed Raikonnen through the next hairpin, then bizzed past him after. It was probably cos he was closer behind Raikonnen than he would've been normally, which gave a greater opportunity to outbrake Kimi into the hairpin. And who's to say that Kimi would've crashed out if that incident hadn't occured?

I'm not saying it's still right to dish out a penalty, and i'm sure you'll all start having a go at me for saying it, but they are valid points.

Either way, you're all right, the sport is corrupt :thumbdown:

Niggs, thing is, if sky, itv and the beeb said they wouldn't bid for it next time, it would suit bernie down to the ground, cos he wants it all to go to asia anyway, so that he can get millions from tobacco advertising.

Wraggy, that may have been Klein, as he too got a penalty (I think). But even that stinks too, cos he had nowhere to go when Koveleinen hit webber...oh hang on he's in a mclaren and he got a penalty too...ok he did hit webber, but I said when he got his penalty that, in the Mansell/Senna era, thing like that happened every race, and they just carried on with the races!

I did think it was a bit strange when Ron said that he'd spoken to charlie and he'd said it was fine.
But then I didn't think it was too good a sign when Hamilton was getting booed on the podium.:thumbdown: But Belgium has always been Ferrari biassed.

They'll leave the hearing 'til after the seasons ended, and if it gives Hamilton the championship to overturn it then things will stay as they are. But if Hamilton has no chance of getting the championship then they'll give him the win back.