WRCA Indoors Winter Series Dates 2010/11
 

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Just my 2 penneth worth, no mini pins sucks

Well, we've some time before the first round to fine tune some things....

don't worry dave... Reg and me will slow down for you, help you catch up:p

thanks Steve I need all the help I can get :thumbsup:

Why impose a no mini pin rule for all ? Why not just no mini pins at cobra as has been the case there for some time now ?

I just dont understand the logic of banning a tyre for an entire series because you cant run it at one venue ?
Before we know it there will be scrutineering, tranny compound and control tyres :thumbdown:

Why no Touring Cars??? It seems to me that organisers go out of their way to cater for minority classes eg. two 4wd trucks, three or four SC10, 18th, 16th etc. etc. but touring cars don't even feature on the list even though there are a regular 25 - 30 touring cars run at COBRA almost every indoor meet they hold.... Why the discrimination...!!!???

Why on earth would you want to run mini pins when 2wd cars running foams at COBRA are absolutely planted... the cars look like they are on rails with them.

....and one set of foams will last virtually the whole season when a set of yellow mini pins will barely last a full day. They are easy to make (one doughnut will make one front and one rear), cheap and give the very best grip you will find.

I reckon I would be quicker with my 2wd with minipins :yawn:

Go watch them first!!!!

Why is it when someone tries to formulate a series so people have somewhere to race through the winter/summer, people moan first rather than congratulate? Dave, it isn't like you don't have yellow mini-spikes in your bag, do you? So rather than having to buy different tyres for different venues, you can all run the same, and for those running on a budget, it also allows them to buy the Fastrax tyres and be competitive.

Andy, you really can't run a series indoors and run it correctly when you got to have a flat track and an off-road track. There will be touring car through the winter at COBRA, so you are catered for ;)

I agree on the mini pin thing. Why not just spikes at cobra? My reason for this would be that alot will have minipins ready or used from every other indoor series in the country.
Good work tho pete, an indoor welsh series would be good.

Steve im not whinging about not being able to run pins a cobra, its been that way for ages but why ban them from other venues that already use them ? People will have pins knocking around their boxes too

Its great to have a series but I just didnt understand the rationale thats all, surely it would have just been easier to say no pins at cobra and an open choice at the other venues :confused:

Can I ask why only the 3 rounds (4 max with Hereford)
Just doesnt seem alot of events especially when what i would call winter indoor racing runs from beginning October to at least March.
6 months,maybe 6 events...one a month
Dont Saundersfoot have an indoor venue?

Excellent news Pete! Last years round at Swansea was an awesome days racing:thumbsup:
Point one is.. I'm with Dave on the tyre issue..Spikes only at cobra. Spikes give lower grip and the fast guys will easily wear out a set per run on a full carpet track!! I've seen it!!
Point two the only reason foams work at cobra is because at club days the track is set out for touring cars, fast sweeping, 100% carpet which is saturated in additive...Foams only work there..At caldi you have no chance(I know foams are not being used in this series but had to clear that up)

As i already said, well done guys for organising this, Cant wait:thumbsup:

great looking forward to this:), only 3 maybe 4 rounds:(. wheres talywain, saunderfoots and gnr. ok i relise they have not got a indoor venue, but they could nominate a indoor club to run thier round. all in all, if all the clubs run a round each it would be a bigger better indoor series. come on lets get it up to 6 or 7 rounds.:thumbsup:

Sorry guys it's a no go for saundersfoot, why don't each of the clubs hold 2 rounds each

Ian

Not at regional level though.....

race off road then

There ISN'T a regional level BRCA supported TC series ANYWHERE in the country, ffs.

If clubs put out a track that suits both off and on-road, then BOTH tracks are a compromise to each class and less 'fun'. As it is, it is only COBRA that really have a strong TC following.

....and that is supposed to be an intelligent answer...!!!???

WRCA as an umbrella association should be catering for all classes. One club has more touring cars running than the whole region can get together for a 2wd regional event... yet the class doesn't even get the option.

As to not being able to run flat tracks and jumps together... not true! It is quite easy to lay tracks that challenge and cater for both providing they are planned. SDMCC has at least 6 pre-planned track layouts that fit on a 300 sq metre floor plan that cater for both and provide simple bypasses for major obstacles, which allows for the use of table-tops, wall rides, big doubles/trebles and elevated corners for the off-roaders AND a full flat track for TCs.

There are numerous posts about the finite number of racers in the region and that because this number is currently quite low, directly opposed classes (nitro and electric) are working together with various compromises to at least get some racing out there for all, yet there seems to be little consideration or compromise out there for flat verses jump.

Compromises that are little more than a bit of planning and forethought in track design and the lifting and replacing of a few small pops throughout the day.

The WRCA REGION, is in fact a BRCA section which is there to formulate and collate results for the 1.10th OFF ROAD section of the BRCA, not TC, not 8th and not monkeys either. As it is, I think the WRCA does far more for trying to 'support' all racers. There is enough call this year for a regional winter series in off-road, in the past few years, the number of TC drivers willing to travel has declined to a point where NO regionals were held during the winter. TC numbers HAVE declined over the past 5 years.

You for one have complained that you have been alienated in your club as you want to run TC and have said on many occasions that there are only a few of you who now run them at Swansea.

There are more out there than you give credit for.... other clubs have made it so difficult for tc clubmen to get a drive that they have either been forced to change class to race or have packed in completely.

Sadly once those drivers have gone the chances of getting them back are virtually nil.

I would like to reiterate what I said some time ago

Cock

Next time your crossing the big bridge look in your mirror cos we'l be right behind you!:thumbsup: F##k this shit:thumbdown:

Dave, you are right, foams would only work on a fully carpet track, thats why at COBRA, it won't be all carpet if I get my way.

As for wear, fast guys in theory could blitz a set of minipins in a couple of runs, just the same as minispikes, but we don't have a 'cheap option' in pins, but we do have a Fastrax minge rippers to use to!

Pins have been used indoors since i came back racing (except cobra) and last alot longer than spikes anyday. They still work well even when nearly bald. Spikes last no time on carpet and as for fastrax tyres (good or not i dont know as i've never tried them), kind of defeats the object as we would still all have to buy them.:confused:
Open tyre choice an option? (apart from no pins at cobra)

Ok then Mr DCM. can we put it to the vote like we did for the entry fees???

this would give everyone input on this subject:)

My vote is open tyre choice(except cobra) I detest spikes on carpet and so does owen...

+1:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

+1 :):)

well shall i now cancel the sponsorship and cheaper control tyres[mini spikes] and let you all pay a third more for tyres mmmmmm bit of a choice

Would that be the same vote that made us probably the most expensive region to race in then, Steve?

Or are we talking of the decisions individual clubs made over the payment they took for their regionals?

I cant drive spikes on carpet! (i struggle with any tyre!) Horrible drifty, understeer. Im a caldi boy and when i was a toddler Mr Harris fed me minipins on a spoon:p

Don't suppose the control tyres were fastrax mini-spikes, and sponsorship was from CML by any chance ??

I'd personally not like to have a control tyre like mini-spikes because no matter how cheap they are, they WONT last half as long as schu pins. So in fact I'd prefer to pay a third more.

+1 here, sorry. :bored:

Didnt realise there had been a deal done for a control tyre H, thought it was just a no minipin ruling or have I got the wrong end of the stick somehow ? If so, is it for the Fastrax tyres ? Is that a 1/3 off retail for them ? £4 a pair ? I dont have any nor have I tried them, just assumed if it was a rule for no mini pins I could use my existing used shumi mini spikes that I have in my box :confused:

The idea was a control 'tread' as in mini-spike, so you would have the option of Schumacher or Fastrax, but the Fastrax would be a lot cheaper than the Schumacher.

Where is there any mention of a sponsorship on tyres in this thread?
Just looked through my boxes and i have loads of useable pins from last year still ready.
PLEASE, lets not kill a good thing by having a control tyre in a welsh indoor series.

Andy, I could say, let me look, nope I don't have any minipins in my box of tyres, got plenty of spikes though.... so look, I am gonna have to go blow £20 before I even race.

LEAST OF ALL A CONTROL "OUTDOOR" TYRE INDOOR:bored: Is this how russia used to be:woot:

First off, well done for getting a WRCA Winter Series up-and-running Pete - and anyone else who helped getting it in place :)

Frankly i dont care what tyres we use - im just glad we will have some Welsh indoor racing this season. As there are no Regional/National F-ranking points to gain or defend for the next year we should all look at this as - hopefully - the start of more and better quality racing series in the WRCA.

Although saying that, if a deal has/had been done for cheaper tyres by the looks of this thread it might have been better to announce that right at the start of the thread.... and confirm it ASAP if there is a deal in place before the tyre issue overshadows the series on the forums ?

As far as the Fastrax tyre goes ( if we do end up using them ) I used the new Fastrax minispike at Silverstone a couple of weeks back. And frankly they aint bad at all. It gripped very good in the dry, not nearly as bad as yellow spikes in the wet and lasted pretty damn well on astro over 2 days. And even its retail cost is less than Schumies eqv. Ok i havent used it indoors on carpet so dont know the wear or grip there but if we could all get a pair for 4 quid or so i wouldnt complain as you could replace them a little more frequently if needed ? And there are only 3 venues this winter after all ?

Whatever happens lets just enjoy the winter series in any form it comes in and build on it for 2011 :)