TRF502X, DEX410, or B44.1?
 

Hello guys,

I need help to pick a new car. Gonna run this car on a outdoor dirt track, hard-packed, bumpy, and sometime gets really dusty. All of these cars have parts support in my area. So far, I'm a bit biased to B44.1 but it seems the most fragile out of this three cars.

So, which car do you guys think should I pick?

Thanks

B44.1 is most not à fragile car. It can take a lot of abuse. But Durango is a better choise if the conditions are as you say. Easy to work on when everything is dialed in with electrics and so on.
Tamiya and Associated got undertrays if you want to keep dirt out.

Thanks for your input, can you tell me why the durango is better in this condition? Is it because the weight?

This is purely based on me alone but the Trf502x on track seems very very planted, jumps great and at our club out qualifies all Durango. Seems very strong and really easy to work on. There's also more room for electrics. I'm in no way going to say anything negative towards the other chassis mentioned. They all go well, just really comes down to what you as an individual are looking for in a buggy. If you do go Trf502x do Lees steering mod, so much better in and out the corners.
Scotty....

I agree with previus speaker. All of todays existing Racing buggys are great machines and If i were you I would look to where you can get The best support regarding spares and what is the most common modell at your track.
People put too much faith in car itself than to them selves. Beleive me, I have owned every 4wd out there and I am now with Ae. Why? Cuz there spares are cheep and easy to get a hold of. It can handle brutal punishment and The drive train is bullitproof. Ae got The hardest and most durable axles and outdrives of them all. And I run it on exactly the same type of tracks as you. Then an undertray is most valuable;)
Go with what ever car you choose and stick with it and really put in the time to learn your ride and learn how to drive before you change car again. Took me a lot of cars before I discovered that fact so hope this helps.

To answer your Durango question I say this. On dirt the geardiffs really dig in and helps with the acceleration. I had one and it was easy to set up for bumpy dirt tracks. But so is any any car now a days when I know what to change;)

502or511 any day. I have had the 410 and it's great but you will hate the oil diff. 502 is planted out of the box. And parts are not as hard to get as people moan about. You can buy them from me or jt models : )

what kind of a reply did you think you were going to get being in a tamiya thread?

if you asked this question in the AE forum, people are going to say b44.1.

if you asked this question in the durango forum, you are going to get people to say get the durango.

Thats not strickly true. If it was loose dirt, I'd go for the B44.1, but I use the 511 since its better on high grip surfaces imo.

I've recently driven the 44.1 and it is quite a nice drive. My choice from these cars would be either the 502x or the 44.1 both are less agressive and more forgiving then the DEX, unless that suits your driving style ofcourse.
Bang for buck i'd say the 44.1 wins the comparison.

Wouldn't trade my 511 for any of these though. :thumbsup:

dex410 all day long! if its to agressive, the diffs can be tweaked with diff oil to "tone" it down :thumbsup:

Really, I thought Durango couldn't make diffs for shit? :p

Even with other oils it's still a more agressive car to drive. Not that it's slow, but it has to suit you on dirt.

Ive had a B44, D4 and have also tried a Dex410 amongst other cars. In my opinion the 502X is the best 4wd ive ever had or tried. The Dex410 is a good car but as Carno said, "too aggressive", especially for my style of driving.

The 502X is a very smooth easy to drive car, and sometimes seems slow because its so stable and goes where you point it, all this equates to consistency and overall good qualifying times. I think that's much more important than "hot laps".

Also as stated above, spares aren't so much of an issue anymore with myself at JTmodels stocking up on a good TRF spares supply.

:D:D:D:D

B44.1 is the best

Because..........

Have you tried a Dex410 and 502 to compare??

your best bet mate is to try and get a go on each of the cars before you decide. I have just started running the 44.1 and find it real smooth and excelent on the rough stuff too:thumbsup:

Thanks for all of you guys for giving great opinions. And can anyone tell me what's the main weakness of these buggies? (e.g parts break, etc)

The 502: front tower, thats about what I've seen or heard about. Diffs wont last long with standard balls.

The B44.1: front tower aswell, front suspension arms, difficult access to diffs.

DEX410: leaky diffs, center drive shaft pins on earlier models.

My experiences from what I've seen at practice days.

Have you considered a kyosho zx5 fs2?. I've had a 410 and its a very aggresive,unless you are a reasonable driver(in my opinion)the car will be too much for you.
I had one for overall a year and couldn't get on with it. Ive now got the fs2 and wish I'd bought it instead of the 410.

I'd say,go down to your track and ask people if you can try there cars before you decide.

I had a 410r, yup spent most of my time dialing out aggression on it. Otherwise v nice and bullet proof.

I'll be moving to the 511 or back to a SX

Loved my SX2
Hated my FS
Sort of liked my 410R

hated your fs?

I have never known anyone to hate the kyosho fs. It's like one of the top cars you could ever own. I had one myself, but for some reason sold it, as usual!

I hated the b44 and dex410 when I had them, too twitchy for my liking doesn't matter how much you tame them down.

Agreed about the Durango, but yup I hated my FS. Just couldn't get on with it. Horses for courses.

I'm rolling with a 511 in a few weeks.

I owned a Tamiya DB01R, TRF502X, Durango DEX410R, DEX410, B44. Drove a TRF501XWE and TRF511.
I am not a good driver i have to say. Apart from the B44 (i didn´t like the quality of metal parts in comparison to Tamiya and i couldn´t get on with shimming the diffs right) i like all of these cars. For an average driver the differences that these cars have in handling are not big. Maybe the Durango is a bit special as i think its aggressive handling makes it REALLY fast in the hands of a pro.

Why do you choose 511 over 502? Is the drive train ok if it's very dusty?
And since the 502 came out, is there any possibility that the 511 will be discontinue soon? I'm afraid if this happening, it will be difficult to get parts.

I agree with the b44, even on photos 502 looks more delicate :lol:

Actually, I want to try different brand other than kyosho because my offroad cars are always been kyosho. Just want something new.

I don't have a chance to try other than DEX410, since there are only few ppl running 4wd buggy and all using DEX410, but they mostly run 4WD SCT for now :thumbdown:

Order the 511 Front and Rear (long) Diff cover from Fredrik Emilsson in Sweden and there won´t be any issue on dusty tracks with little stones.
They really work and many people use them.

I'm currently running without the diffcovers and my rear diff does get gritty a bit sooner then i'd like it. However the rest of the drivetrain has held up fine.
A very small stone in the spur once but that can happen with any car.

Rear diff cover is on my 'to order' list tho :thumbsup: