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Right I don't want to get into any argument with probably very nice people over a thread that is really not focused where I want it to be.

I think that both the title and my initial post have taken people in the wrong direction with them hung up on thinking this about me choosing a car.

From your original post you seem to be looking for advice for what to buy or not to buy, at the end of the day its all about the track(s) you are planning to run on. National or International trends may be irrelevant at your track.

Buy a B44.2 and a C4.2 conversion for a B4.2 so the extra bits you can use to make a B4.2.

Thats every single type of useful car for someone who isn't winning national A finals, if you cant make those cars work, then clearly your PEBTAR...

Essentially....The best car for you isn't about how fast it goes!

Ignore that I am looking at move to racing 10th or in fact ignore that it could be used as one of the tools/sources of information available to people who are looking to purchase a new car at all really! Me considering my options is only what led me to think about what other valid ways could there be to gauge a car/manufacturer (or other piece of equipments) performance on a wider level that allows the law of averages to take effect and level out the anomalous data gained through some of the other more localized variables/trends involved.

I also see another point of contrition amongst people on the point about leaving out data from pro/sponsored drivers. Upon reflection this was too undefined due to the points that Darren has made hear.

As for PRO's racing, none at our local club (at least not regular week in week out), a few local supported drivers, but no-one who is a national F1 and no-one who races on a professional level. If you are to exclude "sponsored" drivers of all sorts from what you are looking at achieving here you will need to exclude LOTS of racers since the number of "team" drivers of varying levels in some areas is quite large (too large IMHO) especially with the number of drivers being sponsored by the larger distributors now. Years ago, you had to "earn" a team drive and they were only given out to the very best privateers out there, now it seems that almost a pulse and a credit card gets you on the team in some cases. I have heard just this week of several teams now offering "C" drives to lower level drivers. Even at regional level it used to be a "few" sponsored drivers and then the very best privateers who were in the A final, now "sponsored" drivers of some sort go right down through the alphabet when the finals are run filling up the A-D and beyond.........

I suggested this in the aim of focusing in the data on a wider "more Average" levels of ability so as to be more relevant to the average driver.

Again on reflection if we are looking initially at minimizing the driver variable then the obvious place to start is actually at national level racing. Something along the lines of this -

The BRCA section could run something like the F1 Manufacturers championshipthis along side the normal "drivers" championships based on the results from the Nationals.

The points scoring system could be done in various different ways but to get the biggest scope of results I would say something along the lines of the the standard scoring system so more lower placed cars still get calculated into the results. Something like this should be quite easy to setup really and requires very minimal extra work involved by the host club with them simply noting the equipment of the point scoring cars and uploading it into an online database at the end of the event. This would then calcutate the current scores and championship positions of each manufacturers car or piece of equipment.

I think what i will do to save more arguments over confused or irrelevant points is I will look through the national results and see if I cant work a retrospective Manufacturers champion ship out for 2013. I will start another thread relating solely to achieving this.

I will probably need help getting details of what the different drivers were running but other than that I will work things out and share the information with people and once I do people can "debate" the validity or why's and where fores of the information as much as they like. I'll then sit back and enjoy the show with a nice mug of coco

Now lets let this thread die down (mods you can remove it if you like).

If anybody else is interested in helping me finding out the results of the first ever "retrospective" 1/10th off road Manufacturers results I'll see you at the other thread