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I have read your post twice and taken that deap breath because with all the jokes aside you talk some logic.
You then please answer why should Vega HAVE to justify themselves for something they did not start.
Why should many manufacturers suffer because of this comment.
Why in fact should the BRCA not answer the question that one of their officials posted.
Why should in fact many drivers be unsure whether to buy or not based on that comment.
And lastly but certainly not least why shouldn't Graham just come on here and say it himself.
If you can aswer all of the above then I will not post on this thead again.
Now Dave, please take a minute and a deap breath before you answer the above. Also think outside the box and the people that read all this and so on. I repeat over and over again, i have nothing against Graham but the more he doesn't come on here and tell us what's what and why and the more the silence goes on, the worse people think and that includes me!

I actually now think it's a BRCA problem and not a Graham problem - their offcial - they should sort this out

tony

im pretty sure if somone or a brca official came on here and said rude bits weights are not brass there anodised coke tins, YOU would be on here saying it was bollox as the manufacture, you would not wait for manchester universitys metalist bofin to post for you.

ive read all this and agree with dave, all vega need to do is post yes the body fits the brca rules...................simples
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for those who know G and are on his fb friend list it is very hard to not bite on some of the comments against his integrety especially when we know his work patterns and also know he is without internet at the moment weather at home or away .

as said in the comments above the brca are more than aware of what is happening and are in direct contact with xtreme as to weather the shell is legal or not. asking G to come on here and justify what he has openly said should of been discussed more discretly is only going to envoke a thread full of i was right you were wrong either way so witch hunting him is not the correct way (imho)

im not fussed weather the brca or xtreme come on here once it is decided eitherway as to the legaity of the shell to tell us al about it but for the love of god stop harping on that G should come on here to answer. i know that if i were in his position and saw reaction like this on a forum that i would probably quit my volentary positon and tell you all to "£$% off and be well within my on rights to do so.....

i know i wouldnt want his job with all the grief that goes with it and doubt rebel or rude tony would eiher and if everyone like G did get fed up and quit we wouldnt have a brca national/regional series to race at as there would be no one here to do the thankless tasks that are done by the few for the many.... with all due respect lads wind the necks in a bit and let the powers that be get it sorted

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if you dont know somebody maybe you shouldnt make assumptions
Zx5 kid take the advise above
How do you know me? I didn't see you on my face book friends list
How do you know what I would and wouldn't want?
Why are you questioning my integrity?

I have not questioned G's integrity so I suggest you read the whole thread
All I have seen are people asking questions no nastiness
Just want a man up answer
The suspence is killing lots of people, my club are all talking about it
Why name me and Tony there are others that have expressed the same interests as us

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im pretty sure if somone or a brca official came on here and said rude bits weights are not brass there anodised coke tins, YOU would be on here saying it was bollox as the manufacture, you would not wait for manchester universitys metalist bofin to post for you.
ive read all this and agree with dave, all vega need to do is post yes the body fits the brca rules...................simples

Eh!!!
What the hell has brass got to do with a shell....your principal is not the same at all......if they don't know brass, they simply need help.
Also, Manchester hasn't got any boffins (2 fs by the way) dude and nor does the BRCA by the sound of it
Facts in case you didn't get them
Graham (and signature) posted the punishing comment
Graham adjusted but still left doubt
Graham said he will address the problem publicly and still hasn’t
Everyone was asking nicely till you lot come on here defending G as if he was a child and making comments about no internet irrelevant to G posting 7500 times on oOple that give an average of over 6 posts a week over a 5 year period.
He has a signature that holds power to the average person and refusing to post in over 2 weeks since the original comment, makes everyone frustrated
BRCA won't post although have done in the past on other issues
Meanwhile we just wait for what?
Paul to have a chat to Graham - about what?
Is the bloody shell legal or not?
It is the simplest question for the BRCA to answer. They made the rules and the comments!!
And for the last time I repeat, this is not against Graham ........ it is against the decision to drag out what could of been solved within hours and I mean hours........

So gents, with all the respect in the world to all of you, don’t come on here and insult peoples intelligence, have a go at me and others for just stating facts and asking a simple questions like Kev Lee originally posted 'how come'
All he had to do was answer than simple question and all this would not have been .............
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Eh!!!
What the hell has brass got to do with a shell....your principal is not the same at all......if they don't know brass, they simply need help.
Also, Manchester hasn't got any boffins (2 fs by the way) dude and nor does the BRCA by the sound of it
Facts in case you didn't get them
Graham (and signature) posted the punishing comment
Graham adjusted but still left doubt
Graham said he will address the problem publicly and still hasn’t
Everyone was asking nicely till you lot come on here defending G as if he was a child and making comments about no internet irrelevant to G posting 7500 times on oOple that give an average of over 6 posts a week over a 5 year period.
He has a signature that holds power to the average person and refusing to post in over 2 weeks since the original comment, makes everyone frustrated
BRCA won't post although have done in the past on other issues
Meanwhile we just wait for what?
Paul to have a chat to Graham - about what?
Is the bloody shell legal or not?
It is the simplest question for the BRCA to answer. They made the rules and the comments!!
And for the last time I repeat, this is not against Graham ........ it is against the decision to drag out what could of been solved within hours and I mean hours........

So gents, with all the respect in the world to all of you, don’t come on here and insult peoples intelligence, have a go at me and others for just stating facts and asking a simple questions like Kev Lee originally posted 'how come'
All he had to do was answer than simple question and all this would not have been .............
incorrect the members made the rules, the brca action them.......
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Graham (and signature) posted the punishing comment
Punishing?

Really?.....

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Hey mark if that's the case then how come non of the members know The rules
Boy i would love to be a fly on the wall to see G's face when he reads all this
Bet his ears have been burning lol
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Punishing?

Really?.....

This thread is a-ma-zing.
Yes punishing!
Read the whole thread
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Really Tony, it's our fault for defending him?

After G's comment but before any of "us lot" wonder along for a chat...

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To me i can only draw my own conclusion as you have not clarfied things yet. Maybe you had a gut feeling that they where not legal because of a feature you dont like? or you just wanted to cause some confusion as this is a team car you are racing against?? Make your response quick for your own benifit as well as the owners of the car!
Then the first one of "us lot" come along...

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Obviously that was well out of order, so...

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It is legal!!!
END OF!
Could your statement Graham have been because you sell atomic carbon cars by any chance?
We all say silly things sometimes lol
Me usually the most lol
And I admit it
Then I rock up to defend G, anyone can read the below and tell me if it's unreasonable...

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Ok guys, think some of these posts overdo it, and I say that as someone who has a Vega shell and therefore am interested in if it's legal!!

I am sure G didn't say something due to being involved with Atomic, I can't see him doing that and if you don't know him you shouldn't suggest it either!

He made a comment, has clarified it and asked for pictures to help him form a view, why not let him do that!!

Random query though, not sure I know of any other cars with a 100% vertical front facing element like the Vega (just behind the nose?), air vent bumps etc are normally always leaning back, might that be a problem, is there anything in the rules about that??
Followed by manufacturer/distributor number 2 having a try...

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Just to let you know that as far as we are concerned it is BRCA legal. We have not been given any reason to think otherwise.

As as an official/professional etc etc it should have been discussed in private. This way it could have been dealt with in a calmer manner. We all know what forums are like - they can sometimes stir things up.


Though I do think the first comment that has caused all this, was unfair and again could have been discussed in private. I can't imagine the member who made the comment would ever post something 'worrying' on their Team's forum, without being clear first.

Luckily none of our Team members need do anything like that on other Manufacturers forum's!

Rest assured guys that your Vega's are just fine and dandy and if for whatever reason they are not - you know we will come up with something just as quick and unique!

And while I'm here I might add that the Vega Elite RB5/ Vega-Elite 201 and the Vega-Elite RT5 are now available

(Thanks to our Team Drivers who have really tried to clarify this thread - you a good bunch of guys)
At this point I admit I went postal, and sadly contributed to this being an even bigger farce...sorry everyone

I know this won't stop the next flame war against me, but...to be fair, rebel posted plenty of other things so sorry if you feel it's unfair to pick on your post above, but it is very suggestive, also have quoted the extreme post as again to be fair in-between the snide insinuation was some good points, but...do you think, just maybe, if everyone had posted more in the way Kev Lee did, that maybe this thread wouldn't have descended. I am not to all convinced it was all so nice and it's the fault of "us lot" for daring defend G from accusations.

I don't understand why people can't accept he made an error, as he's already stated!
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Sorry Dave
I am not sure I understood the last post and why I was quoted ? If you look at that post it has not been edited, after the atomic question it clearly has a question mark (not an accusation mark)
When you said I had said alot of other things what did you mean?
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Sorry Dave
I am not sure I understood the last post and why I was quoted ? If you look at that post it has not been edited, after the atomic question it clearly has a question mark (not an accusation mark)
When you said I had said alot of other things what did you mean?
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Should have clarified sorry, when I said you posted a lot of other things I meant I just took the one most extreme question, you'd said plenty of things before/after which weren't about G and were about slipper holes, different shell ideas etc, so it might be unfair to pick on that one single comment you made!
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Cheers dave
But as has already been said ,question! Not comment as you said
And this question was asked of Graham (when he was still here) so that's really for him to decide (I have often ribbed G in private that I can't share secrets now as he is the opposition lol (AC)) that should have been answered by him and no one else really
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Being an outsider I must say it's pretty unwise to take the time to post that you think the shell is not legal. Without any factual reasons why.

Then dissapear...

Just to come back days later to tell he does not have the time to answer...

Then dissapear again...

As I see it this is a perfect recipe as to how you can piss people of!

We all have work, travels, children... but it's all excuses. You find the time to do whatever you like, it's just a matter of prioritizing. And if you still don't have the time. And know it... why take part in a discussion like this in the first place???

C'mon Graham, you seem like a reasonable guy! Have some from your fan club do a post on your behalf it you can't post from anywhere, and end this meaningless discussion! And if you were wrong, just admit it and go on!... we all make mistakes, all the time!

I've spent so much time myself on my local club and the national organization... but you can't use that as an excuse for anything. We all know we need voulenteers, and we all appreaciate them. But you still have to stand for what you've said! There's no "political immunity"!
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Pity the shell isn't BRCA legal

Looks nice though.

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So few words have genarated one of the best threads ever. Keep it up guys i have more popcorn to consume.

P.s Did Stevie Wonder design the shell.
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Dave G,

Firstly i think Mr Shy has summed it up perfectly!!!


I decided to keep out of this a while ago but as you qouted me here!

Originally Posted by Neil Skull
"To me i can only draw my own conclusion as you have not clarfied things yet. Maybe you had a gut feeling that they where not legal because of a feature you dont like? or you just wanted to cause some confusion as this is a team car you are racing against?? Make your response quick for your own benifit as well as the owners of the car!"

regarding my post!

If someone makes a statement without any evidence then you have naturally have to ask why?

If you are a tall person and i say you are tall you dont need me to measure you do you? If we was both rally drivers (but i was an official) competing in the same series and i said your Ford escort is dangerous and could cause an accident you would want to know why wouldnt you? if i then cleared off and gave you no answer as to why i made that comment what would you do?
Would you A, Assume i was talking rubbish as i am an idiot?
Would you B, Assume as a competing driver i am trying to mess with your head.
Would you C, Assume there must be some fact in this and stop racing and demand some answers?

Or would you assume something else?

If you read carefully i did not give my own conclusions but actually offered that "maybe" it was one of two reasons.
These being the most likely and indeed one being rather damaging but what other conclusion can you give please that i may have missed??

I think we are all getting tired of this now,

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