Michael Schumacher penalised
 

Michael Schumacher will be penalised 10 grid places at the next Grand Prix after a move Rubens Barrichello called the most dangerous in his long career.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/moto...ne/8875352.stm
I hve not seen such a dangerous deliberate move like that for a long time. Probably Schumacher was the last person I saw do something that stupid too.
At 180mph That could have ended in death and I think he got off too lightly. He deserves a ban from the next race at least.
Having looked at the video again there is a lot of rubber on that wall.

should have banned the big headed dick!

Dam right he should be band & nice fine for him to pay out his own pocket instead.

I cant stand the cock anyways just like the old days dirty driving again

Come on guys, no need for personal insults and being downright rude to make your points...

I'm not sure if the stewards can issue race bans, anyone know what they're limits are on this offence? It deserved one IMHO. Did anyone else notice that when Rubens passes the wall within a whisker of taking his left front wheel off, his right front is actually between Schui's front and rear wheels? If they'd been wheel-to-wheel, Rubens would have hit the wall!! :wtf:

Along with all his other records, Schui holds the least enviable of them all - he's the only person in the history of GP racing to have been penalised twice for dangerous driving. In 1997, he was disqualified from the Championship, with no points, for driving into the side of Villenueve, and now this. The numbers are unarguable, but he will struggle to be called 'great' unless you have blinkers on!

I did enjoy Norbert Haug's interview. Listen carefully and he doesn't support Schui at all, he merely repeats what Schui said in his interview. It's to be hoped that Norbert will storngly point out to Schui that this sort of behaviour is not only very dangerous, but puts his team in a poor light, and the Mercedes name. All I can do from here is vow never to buy a Merc (or a Ferrari, but that's a bit like saying I'll not buy an island in the Caribbean - I can't afford one!!) and discourage anyone I know from buying one.

Banned for at least one race is the least we could expect, and the least the rest of the field, who have to be on the same track as him, expect. Bad show from a bad driver.

He used to be fast and dirty, now he is just dirty..... pull his super licence!

LOL - nice one DCM. :thumbsup:

Damn right! As mentioned earlier, that move could have ended in a death!
He should have his licence taken off him and give it to someone that desrves a drive in that car, rather than giving it to an 'also-ran' ex-champ, who is WELL past his sell by date!
He can't make his name from racing up front, so he's doing stupid things just to get some of the limelight!

he was slapped on the wrist for dangerous driving at Canada earlier in the year, so thats twice in one year!

Get him out of the car!

Can't believe he's gonna be taking a job from another talented star next year too!
Retire while you look a bit stupid old man! not in a year when the car, that'll no doubt be designed 'around you', is still not enough for you to win....and you once more get you're arse kicked by your younger team mate, and makes you look REALLY stupid!

:woot:

HAHAHAHA Kettle & pan n all that

Fines for sports stars are useless though. The guy's got a personal fortune of over £850,000,000 and the fine would probably only be about £10,000.

Stu

I think he will one to beat next year with the new car :thumbsup:


schumacher fan :p

What you need to ask yourselfs who is the most successful F1 driver of all time???? I know what he done today was dangerous but im sure he knows that he made a mistake and shouldn of pulled over as far as he did or maybe he should of tried defending sooner but at the end of the day no one here knows what it is like to drive a F1 car and at the speeds they do so I dont really think its right that you can slag off one of the best GP drivers of all time. :p
Im not a fan of his BTW, hamilton is the man I want to win the championship,I cant believe he went out today due to gearbox issues and webber knocking him down to second in the championship :cry:, still think he's got a very good chance of winning:thumbsup:

I'm bloody glad he did what he did.







It stopped me falling asleep towards the end of the race :woot:

Seriously though - it did look mighty dodgy didn't it?

we don't, but the other drivers do and they all condemned the move which just supports our theory that the move was outrageous

They're only statistics!
If he hadn't been in the best car all the time he wouldn't have been the best on paper. Look at times when he didn't have the best car....he did nothing!
Senna on the other hand could make any car he had, win!

So I'm sorry, just because a set on numbers say he is, i think Schuey (even in his glory years) is far from the best driver of all time.


They need to show this to MR Schumacher......


...a similar incident, it happened in the superleague at brands today...and these cars don't do the speeds that he and Barrichello were at when he made his rediculous manouvre!

And no, we don't know what its like to drive an F1 car, but we've (probably) all had an accident at low road speeds, so can only imagine what an accident at that speed would've been like. And wether he's one of the best GP drivers of all time or not, we can slag anyone off that makes such a STUPID move at those speeds!! We only need to look at the above video to see how bad it 'could've' turned out!!

I think we have all seen alot worse tbh, its all because its schumacher and the fact that he has had history with rubens, I really do think people are making a big deal out of this if it wasnt schumy involved I doubt people would be making such a big fuss over a bit of hard racing. JUST MY OPINION :)

Fair enough not goin to get into who was or is the best driver of all time... What I said above is just my opinions :)

I don't really think that us not knowing what it's like to drive an F1 car has anything to do with it, its common sense not to force somebody towards a concrete wall at 200MPH!! You wouldn't do that in your road car at 30MPH because it's just stupid!!!

It's more to do with him spitting his dummy out (again) because he was going to be over taken, simples!

He is far from the best driver of all time, if he was that good he would still be getting results today using ANY car, it's not like he has come back after a 10 year gap and everything has changed, they are basically the same cars as he was driving before! in fact, he should have an advantage over his younger team mate as he drove the cars in the past with no traction control, slick tyres etc....

He had the best team and the best support, nothing else!

I don't think its anything to do with that!?
It would've had the same reaction had it been anyone else. but seeing as he has been in trouble for it this year already should've made him think about the way he drives but it hasn't.

He get this stigma because he thinks he is above the powers that be, just because of his name! His arrogance leads him to think that he can get away with this sort of driving.
The reason why it looks as though it is him getting all the bad press all the time, is because HE does these things!!
We've not seen anyone else being pushed that close to the wall at those speeds for a LONG time!

Yeah mainly from Schumacher :) lol

I think it's because it's Schumacher that he has got away with it so lightly to be honest, if that was Hamilton, Button, or Webber for example, there would have been complete uproar :bored:

I think it was very rude and I had my heart in my mouth just watching it, but then, do we actually expect anything else from Schumacher? It just goes to prove he'd pull that manouvre for the world championship or for 10th place in a gp, that is the man. At least he's consistent.

I do think the outcry is a bit of a overeaction though. Vettel (the young Schu- don't forget) has done the same thing at least 3 times on his own team mate this year alone, twice off the start and once in Turkey leading to a high speed crash. There was a lot less outcry for that, and no penalties at all.

I'd say the 10 place drop is fair and let that be an end to it.

Well said, i think the fact that nothing happened (luckily to Ruebens) is the best outcome from this, he was luckily able to pass and carry on, nothing happened although it was close.....

If all Close ones or potentially dangerous moves were penalised, everyone would be 10 spaces back by now, certainly at some stage - I know potentially this one could have been worse due to the speeds involved, but nobody really knows what the outcome could have been in some of the lower speed moves we've seen......

Webber shunting off Hamilton in Aus for apparently no reason, luckily he still managed to get back on track and finish but it was still dangerous driving....

Webber ramming the Lotus up the rear and getting air-bourne, that was his fault but was still technically dangerous driving - what if he'd killed the guy driving the Lotus?

I think people have been desperate to put down Mr Schumacher as soon as he announced his return, it's a shame really as i still believe if he was in the McLaren or Red Bull he would be right up there - i think he'd certainly be splitting Hamilton and Button at McLaren, and possibly be quicker then Webber at Red Bull... (IMO of course)

Everyone was anticipating this to be the most exciting year of F1 for ages, the viewing figures must have gone through the roof with the likes of Michael coming back so at least he's doing his part to keep it interesting / exciting :lol:

Greatest ever or not, i don't think anyone can doubt he's a winner at all costs and ALL great Champions are like that, even Senna was dirty as hell when he had to be.

But Senna never denied being like that and everyone knew what he was going to do.

Schumachers sheer arogance,denial and thinking he can bullshit his way through an interview is what gets people so wound up.

The bloke is a liability! Fact!

Does a champ need to be PC? It is OK for rock stars and movie stars to be rude. Why cannot a F1 champ allow himself to be rude? It's is OK for Schumacher to be rude to journalists when he's in white racing overalls and calls himself The Stig, right?

Jeremy Clarkson can also be rude (sometimes he is even downright arrogant to people) and he is considered funny. I like Clarkson and find most of his and May's (Hamster, however, I would only be glad so see replaced by something more funny, like a brick or Sabine Schmidt so the show could get three excellent presenter.

I am not defending Schumacher's actions, merely questioning why everything must be som PC in our day and age?

He is the most successful driver in the sport. Beeing so makes many hate him, beeing German make some hate him as well. While English is not my native langueage, I believe you spell the explanation to that hatred jealousy.

I missed the race so I will not comment on the incident itself. I do, however believe that no man is perfect, and apparently the most succesful man in the sport has made a misstake that that luckily did not lead to any fatalites (something other reckless F1-drives have).

He did not make a mistake. It was a deliberate act. He claims to have tried to have tried to make Rubans overtake on his left, but he saw him in the mirrors and alongside him interlocking wheels. I really think if Rubans had have hit the wall he would not have cared less.
DC got it right. He said Schumacher for all his greatness dosent know when to give it up and I wonder if that is what he should be thinking in terms of his comeback.
What is the point of implimenting all the safety features on the cars if you get one errant driver who will put anothers life at risk.
One last point. Was Schumacher not the drivers safety rep a few years back????

Not sure what being PC has to do with this topic

he should be banned for ever:thumbsup: it is not the first time this season
he thinks he still has it i would raither see one of the hisppania:thumbsup:
drivers in the car at least thay show some race craft :thumbsup:

What happened in the pits was an incident, thankful that nobody got hurt. Could have been avoided but it wasn't intentional.

What happened with Schumacher was a deliberate act. He chose to force Ruebens over, he should have chosen to defend the position before Ruebens was by his side. But also he had more time to decide to do this than say Webber hitting the Lotus for example. Its clear to see he knew he was there, and what he was doing, its inexcusable. He made that decision, and its one that could have been fatal, get him out of the car, chop his arms and legs off and spear him onto a 200ft flag pole. :thumbsup:

big fan then :lol:

Sure :lol:

its racing, your meant to make it hard for someone to pass or whats the point

you cant tell me bazza didnt know what was coming and he didnt back off

you make your choices in life they could be golfers instead, but choose to drive 200mph racing cars with the money and the danger it may bring

Please!

He could not back off!
He got along side him and then the door was shut - by this time RB already had position

Next you'll say it was Webbers fault in Turkey!

It was webbers fault in Turkey.









;):lol:

And they say an F1 car can drive upside down. Did not look like it could to me. James Bond would have completed the roll, landed on 4 wheels and gone on to win the race and nob at least 10 girls on the stairs on his way up to collect the trophy.

if you think your getting put in the wall and theres a good chance your going to die you can back off

schue was just seeing how big bazzas balls are

and to be fair mellons spring to mind:thumbsup:

Hard to back off when your front wheel is between another cars front and rear and you are less than 5mm from the wall.

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Ha ha ha. you know that!


Indeed. That was what i was trying to put across

but ok to keep excellerating which sends you in the air

backing off opposite effect

Always appreciated Schumachers ability to drive but when you see dirty drives like that I'd rather see him not racing to be honest

Schumacher’s a disgrace to the sport, and I’ve had that opinion since ’94.

There are plenty of legendary champions that have won without resulting to dirty tactics; Stewart, Clark, Hill (Graham), Häkkinen, Fittipaldi you could just go on. Comparing the incidents between Schu and Senna like the BBC consistently do is misguided too. The only time I’ve seen Senna ever be dirty was taking out Mansell at the end of the ’92 season, that was out of order. Taking out Prost in Japan was fair play as far as I was concerned. He warned them he'd not lift at the first corner if they moved his pole position. Here's the best part, there have been more commentated on dangerous moves by Schumacher in one race than Senna’s entire F1 career.

So to conclude, the FIA should shove a hot poker up Schumi’s ass ‘till he stops enjoying it.

Thats a bit harsh.
Personally I would like to see him sent to hell and like in the film
Little Nicky he could take over from Hiltler having a pineapple shoved up it every day :woot: