generators

[PaulRotheram]

That was an idea SRCC were having for our national.

I think it is a good idea personally, as then you don't have people putting their noise + fumes to other people.

[DCM]

Originally Posted by mark christopher

in the usa they have stck all the gennies in one area and run extrension cables to em, that way the noise and fumes are in one place!

Then who, for the club, is going to do the Risk Assesment of that and supply the cable guards? Plus, you are not suppose to trail 240V cable across walkways, they must be 110V too.

[Rob]

Been looking at getting an inverter just for running soldering iron occasionally, can get a 150W one for £20. I take it a 150W one should be fine for 45W soldering iron? How much battery power do they use. I have an 85A battery which I only use for 1 day meetings so I guess it should be fine?

[ashleyb4]

I have a 200w inverter a 80ah battery and a 80 watt iron and it doesnt draw that much electricity. The other week i went to a BCL one day event i had my iron on for about an hour in total and i charged all day and my battery lasted fine so as your only running a 45 watt iron and you have a bigger battery than me it should be fine.

A

[mark christopher]

Originally Posted by DCM

Then who, for the club, is going to do the Risk Assesment of that and supply the cable guards? Plus, you are not suppose to trail 240V cable across walkways, they must be 110V too.

probable the same guy who wil do the risk assesment for fire (all them little engines with petrol sat on top of em, and fumes)

you ever been to a caravan site?

[DCM]

been to many, but the gennie's have hassed inspection, so are deemed 'safe', running 240V across ANy walkway is deemed unsafe, and 240V outside is just a definate no-no, I have worked on enough sites to know that one. When you assess the risk, you have to assess what is the greatest risk, and the chances of a cable being cut or broken is far greater than a tested gennie igniting.

[burgie]

just to go back a post or two....

it is usually only the cheap gennies that throw out noticeable smoke and fumes as well as noise.

I have a kipor (uncrushed ) that runs very quietly, especially when the exhaust is placed in the vicinity of a bush or patch of long grass. (that is getting harder to find now the groundsmen are back at work!).

And as for fuel - it ran from 11:00am to 6:00pm yesterday, powered four chargers all day and a couple of soldering irons and only used just over half a tank.

it's true that with gennies as with all things, you get what you pay for.

[MATTY]

Yes you can run 230V outside (& on site!!!), you will need a plug-in RCD on the Geny or point of supply !!!

[ashleyb4]

My dad electrician for about 27 years says on a building site your not alowed 230 but at a national etc you can use 230 and you wont need a trip switch as there should be one built into the generator and if there isnt you will need one.

A

[MATTY]

Ok Ashley, I am also and electrician and sorry your dads wrong in both cases

• 230v can be used on site with RCD protection but not the preferred way.
• A generator cannot be used at nats or outside without the protection of a 30mA RCD. A trip as you say is for over load protection purposes only, not protection against electric shock. I know my new geny has no RCD pre-installed!!!! I have a plug-in one

(RCD) Residual current device for peeps that not know.
(Trip) MCB or CB, modern fuse

[bert digler]

Originally Posted by MATTY

Ok Ashley, I am also and electrician and sorry your dads wrong in both cases

• 230v can be used on site with RCD protection but not the preferred way.
• A generator cannot be used at nats or outside without the protection of a 30mA RCD. A trip as you say is for over load protection purposes only, not protection against electric shock. I know my new geny has no RCD pre-installed!!!! I have a plug-in one

(RCD) Residual current device for peeps that not know.
(Trip) MCB or CB, modern fuse

yesssssssssssssssss

[mark christopher]

Originally Posted by burgie

just to go back a post or two....

it is usually only the cheap gennies that throw out noticeable smoke and fumes as well as noise.

I have a kipor (uncrushed ) that runs very quietly, especially when the exhaust is placed in the vicinity of a bush or patch of long grass. (that is getting harder to find now the groundsmen are back at work!).

And as for fuel - it ran from 11:00am to 6:00pm yesterday, powered four chargers all day and a couple of soldering irons and only used just over half a tank.

it's true that with gennies as with all things, you get what you pay for.

sorry but all petrol generater produce fumes that can kill and you can not see em

[bigred5765]

theres a easy answer to all this dont wana here or see or smell genies move to the other side of the site problem solved
batteries are more damaging and dangerious,
have u ever had a acid burn i have and trust me they hurt
mark im sure u have seen them explode

[ashleyb4]

He lost me on that bit. But most generators have RCD's built in i think.

A

Originally Posted by MATTY

Ok Ashley, I am also and electrician and sorry your dads wrong in both cases

• 230v can be used on site with RCD protection but not the preferred way.
• A generator cannot be used at nats or outside without the protection of a 30mA RCD. A trip as you say is for over load protection purposes only, not protection against electric shock. I know my new geny has no RCD pre-installed!!!! I have a plug-in one

(RCD) Residual current device for peeps that not know.
(Trip) MCB or CB, modern fuse

[mark christopher]

Originally Posted by bigred5765

theres a easy answer to all this dont wana here or see or smell genies move to the other side of the site problem solved
batteries are more damaging and dangerious,
have u ever had a acid burn i have and trust me they hurt
mark im sure u have seen them explode

yes i have a big bang and lotss of acid everywhere, highly corosive and causes serious injury, hence why my 12 volt is in a proper 12v container

[burgie]

Originally Posted by mark christopher

sorry but all petrol generater produce fumes that can kill and you can not see em

Read the post again...I never claimed that more expensive gennies dont produce fumes. I know they do. I said noticeable fumes and smoke.

YOu mst have nothing else to do.

[mark christopher]

Originally Posted by burgie

Read the post again...I never claimed that more expensive gennies dont produce fumes. I know they do. I said noticeable fumes and smoke.

YOu mst have nothing else to do.

its not the noticable fumes that kill you though noticable is mainly from the 2stroke oil

[burgie]

i refer you to the last paragraph in my previous post

[mark christopher]

Originally Posted by burgie

i refer you to the last paragraph in my previous post

yup i get paid good money to surf the net and post
seeing as your one here at the same time as me though, the same must apply to you

[Lee]

The Kipor 980 ones seem to be pretty hard to find at the moment